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Sch0sler
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Joined: 19 Jul 2012
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Location: Denmark
Expertise: Just starting

Posted Thu Jul 19, 2012, 1:26pm
Subject: My first espresso/coffee maker
 

Hello folks.

I have read post after post on this forum on how to make the good espresso cup / caffe americano, and from all the quality posts I've come across one thing is clear:

I'm not prepared

I already have a Nespresso Citiz&Milk, and it's fine, but capsules are just a moneysink, so thats going back to the store asap. I mean, it's between $1-$1,5 pr. serving of Caffe Americano.

Then I got hooked on the Bugatti Diva with the fierce look, but found that:

I'm not prepared (or just too poor to buy grinders etc)

Result of my research is this:

I need a bean-to-cup machine, I can get my Americano half decent in a matter of seconds, and my girlfriend can get her cappuccino.

I've looked at the following (I apologize if some of the links are to a danish site, but I've done my best to find the english version)

Siemens TK52001 ($339)

Philips Saeco Odea RI9755/11 ($339)

Krups EA8010PN ($470) (Can't find anything about this, not even on krupsusa.com, all i found was some youtuber telling it was shit and broke down, Krups told him to fuck off and buy a new one. I'll provide the info here
Pressure: 15 bar
Skimmer: Yes
Combined coffee/espresso: Yes
Integrated grinder: Yes

My favorite, by looking at specs and what I am looking for must be Siemens TK52001 ($339)

Now, again, I know that his is a coffee forum, and the bean-to-cup machines is compareable to walking into Providence in sneekers. But where else would I get expert knowledge at no cost :)

Any input to my choice?

Thank you in advance,

Sch
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Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
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Posted Fri Jul 20, 2012, 7:04am
Subject: Re: My first espresso/coffee maker
 

Sometimes a Super Automatic machine is what someone needs or best fits what they need.
The problem with most SA machines is that at best, they can make an OK cup and when you are looking at the low priced ones like you are, there is a lot of plastic in them, they are not very temp stable, there are design consessions to keep the price point (most here have grinders that alone are at that price point or above) and the SA is not able to adjust it's self for the conditions it is operating in, let alone that they have a high break down factor.

Now, when ease of use is valued above quality of drink, and several people are going to use it, such as in an office situation, a SA is quite often the best choice. At home, members here tend to go with stand alone components for quality.

All machines require warm up time and a SA is no exception regardless of the advertising on how fast it warms up. Pressure ratings such as 15 bar are only that advertising hype and is meaningless. Espresso is brewed at 8 to 9 bar and anything over that is useless.

In espresso, like most things in life, the three things are:
Quality
Low cost
Ease of use
Pick two, you can't have all 3.

 
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Sch0sler
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Joined: 19 Jul 2012
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Location: Denmark
Expertise: Just starting

Posted Fri Jul 20, 2012, 7:23am
Subject: Re: My first espresso/coffee maker
 

You are absolutely right, and I'm aware that I've chosen Low Cost + Ease of use

I have bought the machine (Siemens) today, and have made a few test cups of Americano, since this is what I am going to use it for.

As of now, I've "programmed" it to spit out a decent amount of grinded beans to the amount of water I prefer in a good cup of coffe, and the result is good enough. Normally I drink instant-coffee, and at school I drink Industry-brewed-Aluminium-taste-coffee, so it can ONLY get better.

When I get a steady source of income, I'll look further into it, and get an espresso + grinder setup, but as of now, it's just too expensive.

This "cheap" low quality machine does exactly what I want it to do. And it breaks when it breaks :)

Best regards
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