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Posted Tue Jul 24, 2012, 6:18am
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Bit late to comment, I know - but 5 years doesn't seem a long life for a Technivorm.  Are you sure it's a write-off ? They should be fairly easy to service if you can get the spares.   (Understand if this is not so easy outside Europe.)
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 9:55am
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Yeah, I'll try to fiddle with it.  There doesn't seem to be much information on the net about how to troubleshoot / repair these.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:10pm
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BTW - over here they get a 5 year warranty (I think even 10 in some European countries if you register the product).

Any chance that yours is still covered in the US ?

What's the problem, by the way ? The only thing I've heard of that does happen occasionally is that the float switch in the base of the water container gets stuck and won't switch on.  They're quite simple devices really, so hopefully a bit of fiddling and you might get lucky.

If all else fails, you might try e-mailing technivorm (info@technivorm.com), although I suspect their USA distributor agreement may mean you're pointed back to your local importer.
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:42pm
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Hope the moderators will allow us to drift off topic for a minute, but just to add - I thought I'd seen it somewhere - seems that your local importer did have (last year) what looks like a very good deal swap-out for Technivorm brewers that are out of warranty.

The very last post in this thread might be helpful.

"Re: Technivorm MoccaMaster CD"
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 1:45pm
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 5:38pm
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Wow, Technivorm used to sell for $205. That is still a bit high, but much better than $299. With no competition in the US they could command that figure and be worth it. I expect a refurb back then would be even less.

For a while the Sur La Table here was selling a model of TV for $205, not sure if it was a close out or just a sale. If there was no Bonavita (and soon to be Brazen?) available the $205 price would have been tempting...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 6:41am
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Had the glass carafe version of the Bonavita for a week now (purchased from espressoplanet). I decided to do some temperature comparison with my current drip coffee maker a G.E. grind & brew model that has not seen much use since we only use it at parties (to many parts to wash). Well we found out that my old thermostat stop giving me accurate reads, but that being said it was about 25F below actual temp. Either way the Bonavita brew both at spray head and in pre warmed carafe registered 25F hotter than my current drip coffee maker. Coffee is definitely hot. I've ordered a new food thermostat, so unfortunately don't have precise numbers to share.

The bigger notable issue is that the Bonavita has the ability to make a great cup of coffee, but also is very specific to the grind level. Having the correct water temperature is one of the factors of drip brewing, but I found that this unit can also highlight both positive and negative factors of the coffee if the other parameters are not proper. It is not as forgiving as a "normal" low temp drip brewer. I'm speaking specifically about the grind. The grind regulates the saturate/contact time as well as coffee surface exposure with the water. It has taken me about a week on my burr grinder to dial in an ideal grind that gives us the perfect balance of flavor while minimizing unwanted variable such as bitterness etc. We have also experimented with different waters and found some variances but found the the grind is the largest factor in taste (all other factors being equal, coffee same etc..)

Will keep everyone posted with any new observations or changes regarding the Bonavita.
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Posted Wed Aug 29, 2012, 9:49am
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Redbone, what grind do you find works best with the Bonavita?  I have (had) a steel carafe model and was very pleased with the temp of the brew.  However, the glass lining of the carafe shattered and I'm in negotiation to get that replaced under warranty but that's another story.  Anyway, in the meantime, I went back to my Krups Moka Brew and realized what a great cup of coffee that machine produces compared to the Bonavita.  I used the same coffee with each machine but the taste and flavor from the Moka Brew is far superior to the Bonavita.  If I ever get the Bonavita carafe replaced I'd like to give that machine another chance with the correct grind dialed in for it so I'd be interested to hear more from you about your findings.
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Posted Sun Sep 16, 2012, 5:00am
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Redbone Said:

Had the glass carafe version of the Bonavita for a week now (purchased from espressoplanet). I decided to do some temperature comparison with my current drip coffee maker a G.E. grind & brew model that has not seen much use since we only use it at parties (to many parts to wash). Well we found out that my old thermostat stop giving me accurate reads, but that being said it was about 25F below actual temp. Either way the Bonavita brew both at spray head and in pre warmed carafe registered 25F hotter than my current drip coffee maker. Coffee is definitely hot. I've ordered a new food thermostat, so unfortunately don't have precise numbers to share.

The bigger notable issue is that the Bonavita has the ability to make a great cup of coffee, but also is very specific to the grind level. Having the correct water temperature is one of the factors of drip brewing, but I found that this unit can also highlight both positive and negative factors of the coffee if the other parameters are not proper. It is not as forgiving as a "normal" low temp drip brewer. I'm speaking specifically about the grind. The grind regulates the saturate/contact time as well as coffee surface exposure with the water. It has taken me about a week on my burr grinder to dial in an ideal grind that gives us the perfect balance of flavor while minimizing unwanted variable such as bitterness etc. We have also experimented with different waters and found some variances but found the the grind is the largest factor in taste (all other factors being equal, coffee same etc..)

Will keep everyone posted with any new observations or changes regarding the Bonavita.

Posted August 27, 2012 link

I agree. Like manual pour over brewing, the grind size is important. With paper filters I aim for a medium fine grind using a Baratza Preciso or similar size (38mm - 44mm) conical burr grinder. So far this produces a flavor filled pot without stalling.

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I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Thu Sep 27, 2012, 9:46am
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I had my thermal unit break down after 7 months. The light came on but didn't do anything. I was told it was probably the switch, and they replaced the unit under warranty. Things happen, but the switch seems to be unique. I am hoping the switch isn't going to be a problem in the future.
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