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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 3:48pm
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Granite_Stater Said:

I just got mine the other day. The coffee didn't taste as hot as I expected so I purchased a thermometer. I'm getting a water temperature of 185 degrees, 10 - 20 degrees below the standard. Am I being too picky if I send it back? I certainly like the taste of coffee but it is a tad colder than I expected. Exchanging things purchased online is a hassle.

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How are you measuring your temps?

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 3:53pm
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Keepitsimple: Not sure what you mean by 'standard'...I think 200 degrees is what the machine is capable of heating the water to. Once the water has passed thru the grounds, it's no longer going to be 200 degrees, right?
But I'd say 185 is still plenty hot to drink!  

I have the glass carafe model.

Granite_Stater Said:

I just got mine the other day. The coffee didn't taste as hot as I expected so I purchased a thermometer. I'm getting a water temperature of 185 degrees, 10 - 20 degrees below the standard. Am I being too picky if I send it back? I certainly like the taste of coffee but it is a tad colder than I expected. Exchanging things purchased online is a hassle.

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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 3:58pm
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EricBNC Said:

How are you measuring your temps?

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My bad. Rookie mistake. I was getting 185 after brewing in the carafe. I went to Clive's Coffee and looked at the Bonavita/TV comparison and saw that I should be sticking the thermometer in the basket while the coffee brewed. When I did this, I got 203.3 so I'm getting we proper temp.

Thanks for the quick reply.
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 4:01pm
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artdrectr Said:

Keepitsimple: Not sure what you mean by 'standard'...I think 200 degrees is what the machine is capable of heating the water to. Once the water has passed thru the grounds, it's no longer going to be 200 degrees, right?
But I'd say 185 is still plenty hot to drink!  

I have the glass carafe model.

Posted May 23, 2012 link

Thanks for the quick response. I just learned I was not measuring the water correctly. I get 203.3 when put the thermometer in the basket while brewing. I forgot to mention, I get OCD over new purchases :). I'm sipping a nice warm cup at the moment.

I have the thermal model.
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 5:11pm
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Granite_Stater Said:

I just got mine the other day. The coffee didn't taste as hot as I expected so I purchased a thermometer. I'm getting a water temperature of 185 degrees, 10 - 20 degrees below the standard. Am I being too picky if I send it back? I certainly like the taste of coffee but it is a tad colder than I expected. Exchanging things purchased online is a hassle.

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If you need it to be as hot as possible, preheat your carafe, whether it's the glass or thermal. It will make a difference.

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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 7:15pm
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Granite_Stater Said:

My bad. Rookie mistake. I was getting 185 after brewing in the carafe. I went to Clive's Coffee and looked at the Bonavita/TV comparison and saw that I should be sticking the thermometer in the basket while the coffee brewed. When I did this, I got 203.3 so I'm getting we proper temp.

Thanks for the quick reply.

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Hi, what type of thermometer are you using? I'd like to conduct some temperature experiments myself. I have a thermocouple model.

Also, did you stick your thermometer right where the water was dripping out of the showerhead, right as the water droplets emerge from the showerhead? Mine is a stick type so I think that is as far as it will fit. I don't think mine will fit all the way into the inside of the basket.

 
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Posted Thu May 24, 2012, 1:42am
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artdrectr Said:

Keepitsimple: Not sure what you mean by 'standard'...I think 200 degrees is what the machine is capable of heating the water to. Once the water has passed thru the grounds, it's no longer going to be 200 degrees, right?
But I'd say 185 is still plenty hot to drink!  

I have the glass carafe model.

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Sorry - what post are you commenting on ???
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Posted Thu May 24, 2012, 3:26am
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missy_ Said:

Hi, what type of thermometer are you using? I'd like to conduct some temperature experiments myself. I have a thermocouple model.

Also, did you stick your thermometer right where the water was dripping out of the showerhead, right as the water droplets emerge from the showerhead? Mine is a stick type so I think that is as far as it will fit. I don't think mine will fit all the way into the inside of the basket.

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I'm using a thermometer that has a probe that is about 6-7 inches long. I put the thermometer in the basket but probably not where the water emerges from the shower head. It was probably in the grinds but I really couldn't see. I was thinking that you could also put the thermometer through the steam vents on the top. There are pictures of how they measured the water over at the Clive's Coffee website where the Bonavita and the TV are compared.
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Posted Fri May 25, 2012, 11:32pm
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Granite_Stater Said:

I'm using a thermometer that has a probe that is about 6-7 inches long. I put the thermometer in the basket but probably not where the water emerges from the shower head. It was probably in the grinds but I really couldn't see. I was thinking that you could also put the thermometer through the steam vents on the top. There are pictures of how they measured the water over at the Clive's Coffee website where the Bonavita and the TV are compared.

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Thanks for that. I looked at the photos on Clive Coffee and also did a "dry run" putting coffee in and my thermometer in, but no water.

But with the filter basket in place, it is an extremely tight fit! My thermocouple probe is 3 3/4" long. (The entire thermometer is almost 9" so it is a pretty big thermometer.) Even with a probe that short -- and mine will bend at that (it's a folding model) -- there is no way to keep the filter basket from moving out of position during the brew cycle.

So when I view the photos at Clive Coffee, I am uncertain *when* those photos showing temperature of the grounds in the Bonavita filter basket were taken. Were they taken during the brew cycle? If so, I would like to know how, as even in the photo it appears that the filter basket looks moved out of position (and that seems like it would affect the temperature somewhat). Were they taken after the brew cycle had been compete? That would have been too late, so I doubt that, but I know my thermometer is so sensitive it moves every second (though it does have a "hold" feature).

I have also thought of putting my thermometer in a straight position, which I can also do, and sticking it straight through the lid top, down into the grounds. It will fit, and it will get into the coffee grounds; I have checked. But I am concerned or rather curious about whether the heat from the steam rising from the lid may affect the readings. (There is a lot more than I realized once I had a thermometer in place.) Or maybe it would be just as accurate, since the steam itself is coming from the shower head. Or is steam hotter?

I tried sticking the end of the thermometer, since it has the main sensor in the first 3/4" of the probe, underneath the shower head to catch the falling droplets of water just as they emerged from the shower head. Because the rest of the probe is exposed to ambient air temperatures, I wonder if I am getting an accurate reading. (But the rest of the probe does not have that sensitive sensor.)

I get a much hotter reading if I go through the top of the lid top and into the grounds. But then my reading is affected by steam. If I wait until after the brew cycle to measure the temperature of the grounds, that is too late for by then the magic has passed, and if I move the brew basket while the Bonavita is brewing, then I think I may be affecting the brew temperatures. Although this appears to be what Clive Coffee was doing from the photo.

How best to capture the correct temperature of the Bonavita's brew cycle? Your thoughts are welcome.

 
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Posted Mon Jun 4, 2012, 5:52pm
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Just got this brewer today, and wow, what a difference from my cheapo Mr. Coffee. I have to admit, even with all the rave reviews, I was skeptical about how much different the coffee would taste...especially considering the process is basically dripping hot water over coffee grounds. However, I used the same filter, same coffee:water ratio, and the taste is significantly better. For the first time my palate was able to tolerate black coffee.


Now, I'm wondering what is the best orientation for the filter holder? It seems like, for best saturation, the "long" part of the filter should be aligned with row of 5 drip holes, rather than with the row of 3 drip holes. I haven't seen any mention of this on the forums or in the manual, so I assume it likely doesn't make much of a difference...however, I've seen discussions about equally trivial topics.
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