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EvanOz85
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Roaster: Hottop B, Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 7:52am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Ground slightly courser this morning for my 30g/480g brew and got the time down to 3:30. On the Kone box and on Twitter, Keith is recommending a 3:30 to 4:00 extraction time for this amount. While the coffee does not taste over-extracted with these times, I do feel that it mutes a lot of the brightness in favor of a more heavy body. I'm drinking SM's Dry Process Worka Sakaro and these long extractions are dulling the more lively fruity notes of the coffee. It's still a very tasty brew with little to no sediment...just I prefer to end the brew at 2:45.

My Preciso is being delivered on Monday. I'm still using a Capresso Infinity until then. With the Infinity I can't grind much courser than I am right now without significantly increasing the amount of fines produced. I feel pretty confident that the Preciso will solve this dilemma thus enabling me to achieve my 2:45 sweet spot. :)

I just want to reiterate how clean of a cup V3 produces. I was expecting a reduction in sediment from the previous version but I'm truly blown away by JUST how much of a reduction there is. I still have to leave a tiny sliver of sediment-laden coffee in the bottom of the Chemex after pouring, but after that the cup is drinkable to the last sip. With V2 I would still have a fair amount of sediment at the bottom of my cup even after letting it settle in the Chemex and not pouring the last bit.
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jbviau
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 8:09am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Favor: would someone please post a pic of the gen.-3 Kone in a Clever? You all are making me curious about this filter, which I'd been trying hard to ignore--"...don't have a Chemex, la la la (fingers in ears)..."
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EvanOz85
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario and Preciso
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Yama 5-cup
Drip: Chemex, Kone 3, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Hottop B, Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 8:29am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

jbviau Said:

Favor: would someone please post a pic of the gen.-3 Kone in a Clever? You all are making me curious about this filter, which I'd been trying hard to ignore--"...don't have a Chemex, la la la (fingers in ears)..."

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Here ya go. I was planning on doing some experiments with the Kone and Clever in the coming days. It fits, but the lip of the Kone extends past the top of the CCD slightly. I don't think this will be much of an issue..the top rests nicely on the Kone.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/EvanOz85/001-2.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/EvanOz85/002.jpg

With the top on:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg232/EvanOz85/003.jpg
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jbviau
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Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 8:46am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Thanks! That's a better fit than I'd expected (wasn't sure re: the bumper before). I'll be interested to hear about the results of your experiments.
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EvanOz85
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario and Preciso
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Yama 5-cup
Drip: Chemex, Kone 3, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Hottop B, Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 9:08am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

I'll get started on that on Monday when my Preciso comes in. At this point I feel like I'm almost wasting coffee every time I use the Infinity.

Maybe a side by side comparison between V2 and V3 in the Clever.
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EvanOz85
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Location: Lafayette, LA
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario and Preciso
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Yama 5-cup
Drip: Chemex, Kone 3, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Hottop B, Behmor 1600
Posted Sat Aug 18, 2012, 4:08pm
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Got a 2:45 extraction today with a lovely City roast Guatemala Antigua. Best cup I've had yet from V3 and, again, sediment free.

I'm interested to hear what brewing times you guys are preferring with the Kone?
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Posted Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:39am
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Here is what it looks like in a Hario V60-2.

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I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Sun Aug 19, 2012, 1:34am
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EricBNC Said:

Here is what it looks like in a Hario V60-2.

Posted August 19, 2012 link

hahah i left my stickers on my v60 for months before i decided to scratch them off.
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EvanOz85
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Location: Lafayette, LA
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: Baratza Vario and Preciso
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Yama 5-cup
Drip: Chemex, Kone 3, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Hottop B, Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Aug 20, 2012, 4:47pm
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

After using the Kone with the Preciso (Setting 17.5) and getting a 3.5 minute extraction, I take back what I said about 2:45 for 30/480g tasting best to me. I believe this was due to the fact that my Infinity grinder produced a significant amount of fines and that they greatly overextracted past 2:45. The 3.5 min brew was just perfect. Got a ton of playing around to do!
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Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Kone 3rd Generation
 

Hello Everyone,

I got my kone v3 a couple days ago, and for the most part have been totally loving it. It took a few brews to adjust and develop a method that worked well, so I just thought I would share my experiences here.

Problem #1 It was taking waaaaay too long for the water to pass through the grinds
Problem #2 At the end of the brew, the water wasn't fully draining through the grinds
Problem #3 Too much in the way of suspended solids in the finished cup

It wasn't really an issue of grind size. I tried from medium to medium course and still experienced these problems.

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SOLUTION for all of these problems!

I got in touch with Able, who, FYI, were very fast, kind and helpful, and most of the advice they provided were things I knew about and was already doing, except for one POUR SLOWLY.

Typically, with a paper filter, I pour with a steady stream of water (about as fast as the water can come out of a Hario pouring kettle) until the water is about one inch away from the top, let it run through a bit, top it off, let it run down... repeat, etc...

Able recommended that I pour VERY slowly, as in there should be a steady, consistent stream coming out of the kettle that is equal to the amount of water dripping from the kone keeping the water level in the kone equal the entire time until you've reached your water weight.

This solved all my problems. My thinking is that, in pouring slowly and gently it disturbs the grinds much less, if at all, and doesn't agitate the grinds and force any fines out towards the wall of the filter (which either clogs it up or goes into your coffee).

The resulting brew was smooth with almost no fines in the cup, with all the tasty oils that paper sucks out. :)

 
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BREW BABY!
Chemex w/ Able Kone v3 & Aeropress w/ Able Fine Disk
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