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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 2:33pm
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What is also quite amazing is the energy consumption is there for the heating process only to bring it up to temperature, no over-shoot on temperature, and there is more than enough insulation going on to keep the temperature for the entire brew process. Magnificent really. That reminds me, almost time for another cup  :-)
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 2:37pm
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I agree Steve.
The brew time for my BUNN VPR-APS pourover is 4 minutes for a US gallon (64oz brew).
As you're saying & I've experimented over the years with varing amounts of coffee, fast flow filters, etc.

The BUNN BTX-B I have is rated to do a 50oz brew in 3 minutes flat.


P.S. Adam, yes it really is a ground breaking brewer & I'm absolutely thrilled with it!
As was stated by Joe & linked to, I HOPE the SCAA (they said after the summer I believe), that they'd then be back up & accepting technical submissions for the home brewing market & this has caused Joe a major delay & headaches I'm sure in getting the BraZen SCAA certified since Joe had his working model (not prototype) ready in his hands since back in May (estimated guess) or some such?

This major delay on the SCAA's end has cost who knows how many hundreds of previous sales that would of happened if the word was out on the SCAA website about the specs of the Brazen, before they shut down for the summer!

P.P.S. I found the SCAA brewer spec submission page: http://www.scaa.org/?page=cert2

 
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 3:15pm
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CraigA Said:

This major delay on the SCAA's end has cost who knows how many hundreds of previous sales that would of happened if the word was out on the SCAA website about the specs of the Brazen, before they shut down for the summer!

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That *is* annoying, but I kind of doubt the SCAA's foot-dragging has hurt sales. No good reason on my part--just the suspicion that if you know about the Brazen you want it regardless. It's an empirical question, ultimately. Are any non-geeks buying this machine?

Back to the SCAA, according to your link the Brazen should be certified (assuming all goes well) in time for the holiday shopping season, no?
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 3:44pm
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jbviau Said:

That *is* annoying, but I kind of doubt the SCAA's foot-dragging has hurt sales. No good reason on my part--just the suspicion that if you know about the Brazen you want it regardless. It's an empirical question, ultimately. Are any non-geeks buying this machine?

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That's what I mean too Joshua. The number of geeks buying the brewer definitely want it & we're what 1 - 2% or whatever the ratio is of informed coffee people? It's the other 98 - 99% number of (I won't say totally clueless) the coffee market segment that I think a CG member likened to the Williams Sonoma crowd & such that is or could be the meat of the market?

I of course would like to believe that ALL the Coffeegeeks out there that know & appreciate what this brewer is & can do & the incredible value it represents would far outnumber the unwashed masses that know next to nothing about tech specs, performance, coffee, roasting, etc lol! It's possible that the top 5% of the informed Coffeegeeks will buy 95% of the brewers, kind of like 5% of the top sport fishermen know where & how to catch 95% of the fish.

Back to the SCAA, according to your link the Brazen should be certified (assuming all goes well) in time for the holiday shopping season, no?

Yes it sure looks that way, & I hope it gets certified in time!

 
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 4:44pm
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Just completed a 600ml brew and took exactly 5:30 from post-pre-soak to final beep :)
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Posted Mon Nov 12, 2012, 4:48pm
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Yes, final timed beep. The brew cycle finishes running out from the bottom of the brew basket 1 minute 30 seconds earlier at 4:00 minutes in my case..

I've been too busy to get to my brewer & re-check too.


P.S. Addendum: I did this at 9:45pm my time.
The manual release of .6 liter 200F water took 2 minutes 5 seconds, the 1.2 liter release of same temp water took 3 minutes 15 seconds. I filled to the indicated lines for each respective amounts, but the volume may of varied minutely because of the meniscus effect & parallax error.
I did measure the water out in a Pyrex container & the respective volumes came out more than the indicated lines for each of the volumes, so I just went with the embossed level indicator lines inside the water reservoir/tank.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:18pm
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The flow rate definitely slows once about half the water is out of the resevoir. My brewer takes about 30-60 seconds to beep "end of brew" once the resevoir is empty too. I'm not sure how it detects that the cycle is over. I suspect that it has to do with the temp probe registering a temperature drop once the chamber is empty.
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:19pm
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Also, the Brazen does add heat to the resevoir to maintain temperature throughout the brew cycle. I've measure short pulses of between 150 and 200 watts as needed to keep the temperature consistent through the brew.
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