sniggings Senior Member Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 49 Location: UK Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 5:04pm Subject: Grinder for pour over
looking for a new grinder,needed for pour over only,atm I'm using a hand grinder (peugeot hand grinder) it's better at the finer grinding than course,once I try and grind a little courser I get all shapes and sizes,I was looking at the Baratza maestro plus but reading the review I feel I will not be getting enough improvemnt in grind to warrant buying it,so wondering what would be a good upgrade to the Baratza be,budget wise is not set, I will spend what is needed for a good improvement to what I have.
harrymanback Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 214 Location: slo*cal Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: expobar brewtus ii Grinder: la cimbali md6, baratza... Drip: nah...bodum press(es) Roaster: modded wear•ever popcorn...
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 5:25pm Subject: re: grinder for pour over
the baratza vario comes to mind.
i've never used it, and it may be bordering on overkill for your needs, but i know of one high end cafe that uses 3 varios along side 3 pour-over stations to highlight 3 different coffees. also, if you are ever thinking of venturing into other brewing methods, from press to espresso, the vario has a big fan club here on coffeegeek for it's versatility.
harry.
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Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 5:58pm Subject: Re: grinder for pour over
for strictly pour over, you're probably better off with the other grinders in the baratza lineup over the vario. the vario's strength is in sub 1000 dollar espresso grinding.
check the multiple threads just under these.
if u want a definitely better hand grinder, take a look at the OE Lido.
sniggings Senior Member Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 49 Location: UK Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 6:29pm Subject: Re: grinder for pour over
never thought about a new hand grinder.how good is the OE Pharos? I'm looking for really good grind for pour over,would one of these be equel to a machine that costs the same of a lot more?
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 6:36pm Subject: Re: grinder for pour over
from what i read, the pharos would be the one for espresso and the lido would be the one for drip/cupping. probably not great for large batch brewing, though.
oh and if u check the pharos thread, you'll see that it's regarded as pretty much the BEST espresso grind you'll get for the money.
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 7:46pm Subject: Re: grinder for pour over
I don't have a Peugeot, so I can't make that comparison for you, but I *can* say that the LIDO is equal to or possibly even better than the Baratza Preciso for coarser grinds. I've been using my LIDO exclusively all week for pourover, Aeropress, and Eva Solo, and I'm very happy with the coffee I've been making.
About the issue of large batches and how long it takes to crank out a dose using the LIDO, I recently ground 20 g. worth of beans at a few different settings. Aimed for about 2 turns/sec., though I'm not a machine. ;) Here's what I found:
Press grind (2 turns CCW from zero) - took 38 sec. (very easy) Drip grind (1 turn CCW from zero) - took 43 sec. (little more resistance)
Based on these results, I'd estimate you could do a full 60 g. for, say, a Bonavita pot in 2 min. and change. That's not bad, but I don't know if you'd want to go to the trouble with company over, etc.
I have a forum friend who seems to swear by his Pharos for drip, but then again he hasn't tried the LIDO.
sniggings Senior Member Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 49 Location: UK Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 8:17pm Subject: Re: grinder for pour over
cheers jbviau some good info there,sounds good then if it beats the Preciso! those times are not as long as my Peugeot either,might have found the one!
Kipperman Senior Member Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Posts: 12 Location: Austin Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Fri Apr 6, 2012, 9:51pm Subject: Re: Grinder for pour over
Baratza Virtuoso with Preciso Burr set at a minimum.
I'm new here. I have researched the Baratza line but dont know the details on pretty much anything else. The maestro and Maestro plus have been replaced with a new model called the Encore. This seems to be a significant upgrade to the Maestro bringing real espresso grind capability to the Baratza entry level grinder. The Virtuoso is the next step up and has been upgraded now to use the Preciso burr set. I would recoomend this burr set to you as it has been documented to significantly reduce fines over the previous virtuoso burr set and the meastro/plus burr set. I have yet to hear if it still beats the Encore in a direct comaprison but it seems like it will based on the encore review i saw which says grind consistency was great for an entry level grinder. they didnt just say great for ANY grinder.
I just purchased a preciso. I am going to use it for drip (Bonavita Thermal BV1800TH) . It is the exact same thing as the Virtuoso with preciso burr set except is has a 440 corseness setting instead of 40 over virtually the same range. I think its a bit overkill but i wanted the grind options to explore espresso and mocha down the road.
I have literally no knowlage of the other manufacurers out there and what they offer that might give you a more consistent grind with less fines for pour over than the Baratza Virtuoso with Preciso Burr set but would be interested in what other members with mnore experience would say.
The vario is in a classs by itself moving to new flat ceramic burr set designed, developed and produced by Mahlkonig. I have read they make the coffee taste even better. sweeter. more flavorfull. I coulndt afford to make that leap but if you can, i think it would be fantastic too. EDIT** I had forgotten that they make a metal burr set for the vario in case you do something other than espresso. SO it seems I am mistaken about the cermic being good for drip. sorry.
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