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talley
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Posted Tue Jan 4, 2011, 8:06am
Subject: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

I recently got asked about the main differences between the new Kone and the "gold tone" filters that have been floating around for awhile now.  Anybody have a solid, concise answer to that?
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Posted Tue Jan 4, 2011, 10:43am
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

Kone: stainless steel; holes are smaller on the inside than on the outside, which allows more flavorful oils through than a paper filter. Requires a more precise grind than gold or gold tone filters.
Gold tone filter: A fine mesh, usually brass that is colored to look like gold.
Swiss gold filter: A fine mesh coated in real gold, which is inert and doesn't affect coffee flavor at all.

Hope this helps!
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Posted Tue Jan 4, 2011, 3:56pm
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That's perfect, Mark, thanks!!
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Posted Tue Jan 4, 2011, 4:19pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

talley Said:

I recently got asked about the main differences between the new Kone and the "gold tone" filters that have been floating around for awhile now.  Anybody have a solid, concise answer to that?

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Mine won't be concise.  On Friday, 6 of us are having a cupping pourover "throw-down" among:

^  KONE in a Hario V60
^  Kaffeologie's screen mesh filter http://kaffeologie.com/pourover
^  Melitta whites in a Hario V60
^  Hario browns in a Hario V60
^  Bodum gold in a Beehouse pourover cone (large)
^  Swiss Gold in a Beehouse pourover cone (large)
^  Chemex brown (yuck)

and to keep up honest,
^  the Espro Press http://www.espro.ca/espro-press/

I will follow up this weekend with our results

(Bodum Gold, Swiss Gold, and KONE in ceramic cone filters, left to right)

B|Java

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Posted Tue Jan 4, 2011, 7:12pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

BoldJava Said:

Mine won't be concise.  On Friday, 6 of us are having a blind cupping pourover "throw-down" among . . .

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VERY cool. I think I can guess some of the results, but I particularly look forward to hearing about the KONE v. "gold" v. gold.

This will be good.

 
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Posted Wed Jan 5, 2011, 8:20am
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

BoldJava Said:

Mine won't be concise.  On Friday, 6 of us are having a blind cupping pourover "throw-down"

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This is fantastic!!  Oh, and I hope you aren't concise with your report.  Can't wait.
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Posted Fri Jan 7, 2011, 8:27pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

Let's get this throw down started.  The lineup:  (Note, warmed up with the Espro Press). Fantastic cup prior to beginning the throw-down - pictured center, chrome press pot.

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Drip: Hario, Beehouse, Cilio, Kone...
Roaster: RK Drum and Gene
Posted Fri Jan 7, 2011, 8:31pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

Need great pouring devices.  Meet the Hario Buono ($55-60) and its stove-mate, the Paiko ($31).  Each holds a tight 40-ounces.

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Espresso: '82 Oly Cremina 67
Grinder: Macap MC4 Doserless Stepped
Vac Pot: Yamas
Drip: Hario, Beehouse, Cilio, Kone...
Roaster: RK Drum and Gene
Posted Fri Jan 7, 2011, 8:41pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

OK, some basics.  We had 3 TDS meters with each giving us different readings! We quickly decided to scrap the TDS aspect and focus on the preps.

We used the same coffee for every prep:  San Jose Finca, El Salvador - Anondyne Roaster.  Fantastic bean and they put a shine on it: http://www.anodynecoffee.com/  Aida Battle put Anodyne onto this bean; she was buried with orders.  San Jose is farmed by the Mathies family, neighbors of Aida.  Think terroir.

6 cuppers on the coffee.  Give the gents their due:
Peter, Grinding Judge
Dan the Man, Pouring Judge
Dangerous Don, Ambiance Judge
Jeff, Artistic Judge
Ryan owns http://roastcoffeecompany.com, Wordsmith Judge
Dave, B|Java, head judge

So on with the game.  Here's the table.

^ Melitta whites - available anywhere, reasonably priced.  http://www.melitta.com/faq_brewing,174.html
^ Hario browns - difficult to source, very pricey relative to other papers. Click Here (www.amazon.com)
^ Bodum gold - Available only thru Bodum site:  $15.00  http://goo.gl/9SdQG
^ Swissgold - Available via Amazon and Sweet Marias, $35 shipped (Note:  2 cupper discontinued) http://is.gd/kmiUw
^ Kaffeologie - Available only thru K/L http://kaffeologie.com/pourover
^ KONE - Available from numerous sites, $55 shipped.  Clive Coffee is one of my favorites:  http://is.gd/kmjrM
^ Chemex brown - scrapped - we knew where this horse would end up.  Glue factory material.

Supporting cast
(both kettles offer a tight 40-oz; 38-oz if you are in the other room while it comes to boil)
^ Hario Buono kettle, $55 shipped.  http://is.gd/kmjTt
^ Paiko kettle:  $32 shipped airmail from Hong Kong, http://is.gd/kml0H
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^ Beehouse Pourover cones:  I prefer ceramic over plastic or glass, Beehouse black is great eye candy.  From good folks at Orphan Espresso  http://is.gd/kmlwD
^ Beehouse pots:  Great 22 ouncers, from Beehouse, http://goo.gl/Otrrc
^ Hario pourover cones:  Ceramic preference, Click Here (shop.roustaboutproducts.com)

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Espresso: '82 Oly Cremina 67
Grinder: Macap MC4 Doserless Stepped
Vac Pot: Yamas
Drip: Hario, Beehouse, Cilio, Kone...
Roaster: RK Drum and Gene
Posted Fri Jan 7, 2011, 8:43pm
Subject: Re: The Kone vs. The Gold Tone Filters
 

We decided to present the coffees two at a time, those that would be closest in preparation.  Two of us prepared all the coffees.  The other four gents were served coffee without knowing which coffee was which.  Two at a time.

First pairing. (Comments were made not knowing which cup there they critiquing):

Melitta whites vs Hario browns
^ Melitta whites drew 6 votes:  "fatty" cup, heavier, viscous, more flavors revealed.
^ Hario brown drew 0 votes:  "brown paper bag," subdued/occluded flavors, pungent

Don't worry.  We fit the filters on better, pre-wet and rinsed.  39 grams coffee, 22 ounces of water.  20 second bloom, averaged 2:30 minute pour.  

Here is the Melitta White over a Beehouse Teapot...

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