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canuk_guy
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Posted Thu Aug 6, 2009, 9:19am
Subject: Bellman CX25
 

Hello all,

This is my first post here, so if I'm in the wrong area for this or need to learn some site etiquette just let me know.

I've already tried to do a search on the Bellman here and did not come up with much information.

Here's what I'm after.

I have one of these babies and so far I'm getting along with it pretty well.  I have followed the instructions and have managed to produce an 'OK' coffee like substance.  And that's what I'm getting.  It's more coffee like that heading to espresso.  I know this unit will not give me a true espresso, but I was thinking it might do better than my moka pot (which I love btw).

So, what are all of you doing to get the most out of your Bellman, or similar type of gear?  Let me know.

Cheers,  Guy
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Posted Thu Aug 6, 2009, 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

It is a fine looking little unit, good quality materials, it appears.    

I have no experience with stove tops like that but for starters, I would submit that much the same guidance for them is the same as for espresso machines proper.  

Make sure the bean quality is there and the coffee is not stale...more than two weeks from roast date.   That done, the grinder is going to be a key to maximizing the quality of your brew.  You are going to need a burr grinder, and grind fresh when you brew.  Pre-ground coffee will probably not get you where you want to go.   If you follow those two rules, you should find the sweet spot for your Bellman.
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Posted Thu Aug 6, 2009, 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

Hey Breeze,

Thanks for the input.

I do have burr grinder and I grind my beans as I need them.  I was thinking the results I was getting from the Bellman were pretty weak, so I gave those same beans a go in my moka pot.  Much much better there.  So the beans are ok.  Makes up pretty darn good in the moka pot actually.  I was hoping that the Bellman would be capable of at least moka pot strength results.  So far I haven't been able to get there.

I'm currently grinding the coffee to a salt like consistency.  Wondering which direction to go with that ... coarser ... finer ... or is there some other variable I can play with first.

Anyone?

Cheers, Guy
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Posted Fri Aug 7, 2009, 2:29am
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

canuk_guy Said:

I'm currently grinding the coffee to a salt like consistency.  Wondering which direction to go with that ... coarser ... finer ... or is there some other variable I can play with first.
Cheers, Guy
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Posted August 6, 2009 link

Just for chuckles I'd go with a much finer grind, experiment and then back off, if necessary.   I don't know if this unit will "choke", or not or if using too fine a grind could result in any unexpected "events", but I'd go finer.
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Posted Fri Aug 7, 2009, 2:32am
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

Also...you didn't mention bean freshness.  Even with the finest espresso machine on the planet, stale beans produce dishwater shots.    I would try to get some beans roasted, like yesterday, to see how that affects your cup.    As beans age, it is normal to chase the age by grinding ever finer.
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Posted Fri Aug 7, 2009, 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

I buy my beans by the bag and truth be told have no idea how "old" they are.  I've been trying to source better and better coffee all the time.  I should have purchased some yesterday when I was out at Java Jamboree in Cochrane (just outside of Calgary).  They carry 49th Parallel coffee there.  There are a few roasters in town here and picking up an espresso blend might be in order.

All the same I can't see the results being that much different given the same beans.  I have benchmarked them using my moka pot as the reference point.  The coffee comes out pretty decent from my moka pot using those beans.  I was hoping the Bellman could approach that, or exceed it.  So far, no joy.

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Posted Sun Aug 9, 2009, 3:02pm
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

Had a little more success with the Bellman today.  I used the finest grind my grinder would produce and tapped it down a in the basket by tapping the basket on the counter to get it settle in.   Top it up a little more and tap tap tap.  Once it was levelled off I put it through it's cycle.  The extract came out pretty well this time around.

Question though ... when I open the coffee valve I get a *lot* of steam coming through.  It's more like a rush of steam with coffee than a flow.  Is that normal for this thing?  I expected it to be more of a flow of coffee and then steam sputtering at the end.

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Posted Mon Aug 10, 2009, 8:30am
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

canuk_guy Said:

Question though ... when I open the coffee valve I get a *lot* of steam coming through.  It's more like a rush of steam with coffee than a flow.  Is that normal for this thing?  I expected it to be more of a flow of coffee and then steam sputtering at the end.

Posted August 9, 2009 link

I think I found the answer to my question.  I was rooting through the box the Bellman came in going over the instructions and parts diagram and I came across another rubber washer of sorts.  It's a cylindrical little devil.  After rolling it around in my hand for a bit and pondering, I think I found its place.

Popped in into the Bellman this morning and no more steam with coffee.  Strength of coffee had a marked increase as well even though I messed up on the grind (had it set to coarse for my moka pot yesterday and forgot to change the setting).  I would say it turned out pretty much equal to my moka pot in strength of flavour and maybe a little stronger.

So now if I get my grind right I should have this little baby purring along in no time at all.

Cheers, Guy
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Posted Wed Aug 12, 2009, 10:31am
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

I'm still messing with my Bellman.  Where I had thought that gasket would go really isn't it's proper place.  Works like a darn there though.  I just might source me one to put there.  With a little figuring I found it's place, well I'm pretty sure I found it's place.  Unfortunately, in it's place it doesn't do much.   I'm getting steam - coffee again.

So my question is this ... at the top of the basket is there a gasket of sorts that goes between the top lid screen and the basket?

Cheers, Guy
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Posted Fri Aug 14, 2009, 12:52pm
Subject: Re: Bellman CX25
 

I can't say I've got one, but I can google.  Have you looked at this picture?

http://www.fantes.com/bellman-parts.html
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