Posted Thu Jun 18, 2009, 5:18pm Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
What I've observed is that stirring the grounds while brewing adds richness, regardless of brewer. I love my Bunn; however, unless you take the special precautions mentioned above, stirring is not really an option. I think TV fans love the fact you can stir the grounds during the brew. French press and Pourover cones allow for stirring as well.
Does anyone know why stirring makes coffee taste better? Does the agitation provide better extraction? I'd be interested to get others opinion on this one.
calblacksmith Senior Member Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 770 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: ECM Veneziano A1 Grinder: 2 SJs, NS MCD 65, Solis 166 Vac Pot: 40s era Silex Drip: Milita, Bunn&Curtis... Roaster: Cast iron pan, gas burner
Posted Fri Jun 19, 2009, 9:00am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
We don't see many Fetco units here in So Cal, mostly Curtis and BUNN though I have seen Fetco units. I think the difference in a commercial quality maker and a home quality maker are light years apart and I will normally err on the side of big, solid and commercial even if it does take up more counter space. Oh, BTW, Disney resorts here in So Cal (Disneyland and California Disney Adventure) use ONLY Curtis equipment. Disney holds a high standard of quality and can choose any brand they like. I have both and I can say that either (BUNN and Curtis) make a darn fine cup and are built like tanks.
gime2much Senior Member Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,392 Location: Sunny S Fl Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: La Pavoni, Astoria comm, 2... Grinder: La Pavoni Zip, Bunn... Drip: Bunn comm Roaster: Popcorn popper (air),co/ufo
Posted Fri Jun 19, 2009, 9:13am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
nemoorellc Said:
Does anyone know why stirring makes coffee taste better? Does the agitation provide better extraction? I'd be interested to get others opinion on this one.
From my point of view, it helps to achieve more even extraction as the grind tends to clump together if left on its own. Stirring to me aids extraction more on my small alcohol burner vac pot than on any other coffee maker. My stove top 8 cup Cory generates enough agitation to not require stirring.
justin57 Senior Member Joined: 3 Nov 2004 Posts: 35 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Expobar Pulser Grinder: Mazzer Mini P Vac Pot: Hellem, Sunbeam Drip: Cuisinart BrewCentral...
Posted Mon Jun 22, 2009, 10:17am Subject: The final verdict
I bought the Capresso ST600. $50 refurbished from JRs.
It's well made, pretty brushed stainless steel outside. The carafe is solid and heavy. Plus it pours well.
Most importantly, the coffee is excellent. (For drip, that is) Night and day difference between it and my old BrewCentral.
Truthfully, I am not sure how a Bunn or a TV can make a better pot, and I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to explain... Good coffee = proper brew time, proper temperature, proper grind. Thermal carafe helps. There's only so much that a coffee maker can do... And if it brews at the right temp and the brew speed is not too fast (i.e. Bunn), cups should be equivalent.
I certainly agree that the Bunn will last forever and is much better made, and brews a quicker pot... So if that is what you need, then I'd go with that.
But if you are just making one pot--or less--now and then, this was a pretty hard deal to pass up.
Thanks again everyone for your help with this selection process.
Posted Tue Jun 23, 2009, 6:08am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
Justin,
Glad to hear that you are as pleased with the coffee from your ST600 as I have been with mine.
However you might be stirring up a hornet nest with your accusation that the Bunn brews too fast. There are many people here who would attest otherwise. There is more than one choice of good drip machine - to each his own as long as each of us is happy with his coffee. After all it's not a contest to have a better machine than the next guy bu just one that makes satisfying coffee for you, right? :)
paslug Senior Member Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 132 Location: Kennett Sq, Pa Expertise: Just starting
Posted Tue Jun 23, 2009, 2:44pm Subject: Re: The final verdict
justin57 Said:
I bought the Capresso ST600. $50 refurbished from JRs.
It's well made, pretty brushed stainless steel outside. The carafe is solid and heavy. Plus it pours well.
Most importantly, the coffee is excellent. (For drip, that is) Night and day difference between it and my old BrewCentral.
Truthfully, I am not sure how a Bunn or a TV can make a better pot, and I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to explain... Good coffee = proper brew time, proper temperature, proper grind. Thermal carafe helps. There's only so much that a coffee maker can do... And if it brews at the right temp and the brew speed is not too fast (i.e. Bunn), cups should be equivalent.
I certainly agree that the Bunn will last forever and is much better made, and brews a quicker pot... So if that is what you need, then I'd go with that.
But if you are just making one pot--or less--now and then, this was a pretty hard deal to pass up.
Thanks again everyone for your help with this selection process.
In spite of my bad experience with the bad plastic (which according to Brad is just a conspiracy theory) I would have to agree with you. The couple of pots that I was able to get that weren't plastic flavored were better than any coffee I've had anywhere. For those who have never used one, it squirts some hot water on the grounds, waits a while, then squirts a little more. repeatedly until done. Sort of like continuous pre-infusion.
it wasn't your tasting of plastic that I was referring to as a conspiracy theory. It was the seemingly unfounded theory that capresso go a "bad batch" of plastic and therefore blew the makers out at a low price. I bought two of them at a really low price through Amazon and neither imparted any plastic taste to the coffee.
Sorry for the confusion as to what I was referring to. I don't doubt that you tasted plastic.
Congrats on your purchase and am happy you are enjoying it.
Truthfully, I am not sure how a Bunn or a TV can make a better pot, and I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to explain... Good coffee = proper brew time, proper temperature, proper grind. Thermal carafe helps. There's only so much that a coffee maker can do... And if it brews at the right temp and the brew speed is not too fast (i.e. Bunn), cups should be equivalent.
Not a very good idea to dare or challenge anyone over their purchases. I have at least had a TV and a Bunn and people got upset when I said I did not like the TV. I sold mine, But at least I had one and can understand why people got upset with my view on it. You have never owned either, please do not challenge,or dare. As for the brew time on the Bunn it actually stirs the grinds with the force of the flow, giving a good flavour without the bitterness from grinds standing in water.
I certainly agree that the Bunn will last forever and is much better made, and brews a quicker pot... So if that is what you need, then I'd go with that.
Please don't guess again, I have no doubt that you bought what you felt was the best deal for you. Myself I am fed up buying machine after machine. My priority was to buy one machine for the rest of my life. An I will guess (yes I am guessing) that it will not make a better coffee than what you bought.
But if you are just making one pot--or less--now and then, this was a pretty hard deal to pass up.
Thanks again everyone for your help with this selection process.
Justin
An let's not forget you asked our opinion (yes you thanked us), so please do not suddenly have a radical change in heart now you have bought yours. Many machines will fit the needs of many different people. Just like the car I drive might not be your cup of tea, but may be my dream boat.
Kinbote Senior Member Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 78 Location: MA Expertise: I love coffee
Grinder: Cap Infinity Drip: Technivorm
Posted Thu Jun 25, 2009, 4:17pm Subject: Re: The final verdict
Judge Said:
My priority was to buy one machine for the rest of my life . . . Many machines will fit the needs of many different people. Just like the car I drive might not be your cup of tea, but may be my dream boat.
And let's not forget what the original poster said at the start of this thread: "So, we all know that drip coffee sucks . . ."
Honestly, that's a bold way to engage coffee lovers on an issue. Also weird that someone with that opinion would then take such a detailed interest in finding the right brewer.
I'm pleased with my TV and hope to have it for years. It's not perfect, but I don't regret a penny spent. If I ever change brewers, I doubt I'll defect to a Bunn or a Newco (might consider a Krups Moka Brew). The change would likely be back to French Press. And if I ever spend more money on my drip set-up, it'll be for a Rocky grinder.
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