That bothered me as well and struck me more as something that someone would think that they are supposed to say to be a real coffeegeek so-to-speak rather than something that would be said by someone with an experienced pallete. I enjoy a variety of brewing methods including drip and I've never heard of anyone who's anyone in the industry making such a statement.
GeekyGirl Senior Member Joined: 1 Jul 2009 Posts: 26 Location: Raleigh, NC Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Wed Jul 1, 2009, 11:23am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
I agree with clivecoffee, you should definitely watch the video review of the Technivorm. But you might have to sign up for a free 1-day membership to view it, or at least I did. clivecoffee also made all the right points about the TV. Another machine that you might look at, if you're open to considering something that's not currently in production, is the Krups Moka Brew. It's sort of a hybrid between a moka pot and drip coffee. Coffeegeek loved this machine, and 99% of the reviews that I've seen here and on Amazon love it too. It looks like it's complicated, or at least as much as a french press would be, but it's really not.
This type of brewing system is widely popular in Europe, but the Moka Brew didn't sell very well here, in part because I think they targeted to the mass consumer market. I think that was a mistake. Had they targeted is to the more coffee aware, I think it would have sold much better. It's still available on Amazon, as are the flat circular #1 filters. Many people have taken one of the filters and traced it on a Melitta #4 and cut 2 of them from one #4 filter.
I've had several Krups drip machines, and a small manual Krups espresso machine, and while the drips don't make the perfect cup of coffee, they've been extremely reliable, and none of the Krups products have ever had ANY problems. So if you're open to checking this out, I wouldn't be at all concerned with buying a product that's no longer in production.
Oh and by the way, just like the TV, the KMB is a no frills machine--no grinder, timer, clock, etc., and it's a pressure brewer so you can't pour yourself a cup while it's brewing. So it does one thing well--product a great cup o' joe.
Posted Fri Jul 3, 2009, 12:36am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
I've been a lurker for a little while and felt compelled to join and post after reading this whole topic. While I'm sure the original poster didn't mean to offend with his comment about everyone knowing drip coffee sucks, I have to applaud Kinbote, Brad and Judge for their responsive comments. I am new to roasting and have been enjoying the entire learning (and tasting) process. I've been lurking because I've been looking into upgrading from my IRoast2, as I am having to roast on a daily basis to satisfy our needs.
Currently I do have a TV and I absolutely love it. The consistent brewing temp, the simplicity of the machine and the end product are perfect for me. We just went on vacation and actually brought it with us (along with the grinder and roaster)! Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I do love my daily cup/pot of drip coffee. It is what gets me out of bed.
Thanks to those who support 'freedom of brewing choice' as it made me feel that I was indeed worthy of signing up to become a member.
Judge Senior Member Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 192 Location: Montreal Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Fri Jul 3, 2009, 7:36am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
ChristineP Said:
I've been a lurker for a little while and felt compelled to join and post after reading this whole topic. While I'm sure the original poster didn't mean to offend with his comment about everyone knowing drip coffee sucks, I have to applaud Kinbote, Brad and Judge for their responsive comments. I am new to roasting and have been enjoying the entire learning (and tasting) process. I've been lurking because I've been looking into upgrading from my IRoast2, as I am having to roast on a daily basis to satisfy our needs.
Currently I do have a TV and I absolutely love it. The consistent brewing temp, the simplicity of the machine and the end product are perfect for me. We just went on vacation and actually brought it with us (along with the grinder and roaster)! Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I do love my daily cup/pot of drip coffee. It is what gets me out of bed.
Thanks to those who support 'freedom of brewing choice' as it made me feel that I was indeed worthy of signing up to become a member.
Welcome aboard, and thanks for the feedback. I also agree that the original poster meant nothing malicious. I was concerned I might of been a little rough on the post.
My wife would not use the TV, and I found it a little fiddly, however the coffee was excellent (not trying to start a war here). Hence my switch to a commercial Bunn I have it on a timer so it is not sitting there boiling water all day for nothing.
Since you have been lurking around for a while I am sure you are aware that their are some wonderful posts about roasters. I am using a Gene Cafe with good success (10 oz at a time). But from what I have been reading, the Behmor sounds like a nice deal. That unit was not around when I got the Gene, the only thing that might be a problem with the Behmor is if you want french roast.
Bows head and stands corrected. Yes not boiling but wasting power for nothing. That unit throws out a fair bit of heat. An it is sometimes only making 3 pots of coffee a day.
Posted Fri Jul 3, 2009, 2:50pm Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
Thanks for your comments Judge. I don't know that you were too rough. In fact, I saw it as kind of how a dog gives another dog a correction when they do something that isn't socially correct - swift and to the point.
I'm going to put on a pot and head over to the roasting section for some more research on the Gene v. Behmor. My gut has been calling me to the Gene but my wallet has not yet been convinced.
justin57 Senior Member Joined: 3 Nov 2004 Posts: 35 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Expobar Pulser Grinder: Mazzer Mini P Vac Pot: Hellem, Sunbeam Drip: Cuisinart BrewCentral...
Posted Sat Jul 4, 2009, 4:05am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
I see there has been quite a bit of... excitement since I last signed on.
First, the coffeemaker comparison I made: My point is this, simply: if a coffeemaker is brewing at the proper temp and speed, with a good grind and good beans in it, you are most likely to get a well-brewed cup. If anyone is reading this forum, they, like me, have probably spent some time trying to find a machine that will do this and will also personally match their needs, i.e. design, quality of construction, customer service, speed at which it takes to make a pot, features like timers, etc. But once one is able to make that first cut in terms of core characteristics of the machine and brewing ability, the difference in the brews between machines should be fairly subtle. And this is my point for those who are also going through this process and trying to find a good machine: find the ones that first will brew properly, then One that is best suited to you, your personal tastes, and with the other characteristics that fit your needs and priorities.
I'm not faulting or criticizing anyone for coming to a different personal conclusion. I'd love to have a Bunn someday, but I would have to sacrifice a lot of counterspace for it, and I usually am brewing in much smaller batches now. But I don't doubt it makes a great pot. TV people: I'm sure it also makes a great pot, but for me, I could not justify its price given the concerns that have been raised and the fact that a commercial machine could cost less. This is the thought process I went though, and the decisions I ended up making. It doesn't mean that these, and other options like the Krupps Moka, and Newco don't also make great cups. Simple fact is you will end up with a great drip cup from any of these machines. It's just preference at this point. So if anyone is considering the same decision, don't be turned off or not consider a machine that costs less because you think something more expensive will necessarily make a significantly better cup. That's my point, not a "my machine is better than yours," as some people have taken it. I hope that anyone also looking for a machine who stumbles across this discussion will take that point, and all of the excellent pros/cons of the several great machines we discussed from here.
Now, I am going to get back to my french press brew I had the time to make this morning (which, despite the defensive comments, I still think has more subtlety and complexity to it than drip), and I will remain thankful that on hectic--or just lazy--mornings, I have a machine that can brew a hot, pretty darn close in quality, quick pot of coffee, and that we have a place like this with good people that can help us find the right machine for our personal preferences, budget, and priorities.
Judge Senior Member Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 192 Location: Montreal Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Sat Jul 4, 2009, 6:16am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
justin57 Said:
I see there has been quite a bit of... excitement since I last signed on.
First, the coffeemaker comparison I made: My point is this, simply: if a coffeemaker is brewing at the proper temp and speed, with a good grind and good beans in it, you are most likely to get a well-brewed cup. If anyone is reading this forum, they, like me, have probably spent some time trying to find a machine that will do this and will also personally match their needs, i.e. design, quality of construction, customer service, speed at which it takes to make a pot, features like timers, etc. But once one is able to make that first cut in terms of core characteristics of the machine and brewing ability, the difference in the brews between machines should be fairly subtle. And this is my point for those who are also going through this process and trying to find a good machine: find the ones that first will brew properly, then One that is best suited to you, your personal tastes, and with the other characteristics that fit your needs and priorities.
I'm not faulting or criticizing anyone for coming to a different personal conclusion. I'd love to have a Bunn someday, but I would have to sacrifice a lot of counterspace for it, and I usually am brewing in much smaller batches now. But I don't doubt it makes a great pot. TV people: I'm sure it also makes a great pot, but for me, I could not justify its price given the concerns that have been raised and the fact that a commercial machine could cost less. This is the thought process I went though, and the decisions I ended up making. It doesn't mean that these, and other options like the Krupps Moka, and Newco don't also make great cups. Simple fact is you will end up with a great drip cup from any of these machines. It's just preference at this point. So if anyone is considering the same decision, don't be turned off or not consider a machine that costs less because you think something more expensive will necessarily make a significantly better cup. That's my point, not a "my machine is better than yours," as some people have taken it. I hope that anyone also looking for a machine who stumbles across this discussion will take that point, and all of the excellent pros/cons of the several great machines we discussed from here.
Now, I am going to get back to my french press brew I had the time to make this morning (which, despite the defensive comments, I still think has more subtlety and complexity to it than drip), and I will remain thankful that on hectic--or just lazy--mornings, I have a machine that can brew a hot, pretty darn close in quality, quick pot of coffee, and that we have a place like this with good people that can help us find the right machine for our personal preferences, budget, and priorities.
Very eloquent, and precise. Thank-you for such a response. An Nice to have a wonderful exchange. Myself I happen to prefer Press to drip, and I prefer Bialetti espresso style to both, but they are all good and enjoyed more or less at different times of day and hence the pleasure of all.
JeffG Senior Member Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 92 Location: New York Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Factory Grinder: Cunill Tranquilo Vac Pot: Yama Drip: Chemex, manual pour over Roaster: Behmor
Posted Sun Jul 12, 2009, 4:57am Subject: Re: the drip dillema: Technivorm vs Bunn
This was a helpful post. My Newco died the other day just before its one year anniversary. It was an outstanding machine for our occasional pot of coffee, very fast, good quality coffee, easy to use. I didn't mind the look of it and it looked a lot better than the pictures. Unfortunately they couldn't repair it, and are out until October/November for a new one.
After reading this, I'm seriously considering the Bunn BTX. We only brew a few pots a week so don't want to keep the machine warming the water all week for that. Does the vacation switch shut it down? 15 minutes from cold to a pot of coffee? The Newco was so, so fast... Limit is $100 for machine.
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