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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 9:23am
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The Newco OCS-8 & 12 Series have been sold out for some time now, & the -8 model has really increased in price by someting like 40 - 50%!  {:-/

 
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 9:59am
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Thanks for the input so far, folks.

I've done more reading and decided to cut the BTX from the list. I saw reviews on this site that said the coffee was not as hot as it could be and flat. This was also echoed in the Cook's Illustrated review.

I've put the Capresso ST600 on the list in its place. I read good reviews about it here and it seems to make the 200 degree mark. Plus it's really cheap: $49.99!

I don't mind spending more money though, as long as someone can justify it to me.

Specifically, I would like to hear from someone about the Bunn A-10. Can its temperature be adjusted? How is its coffee quality? Robust? Flat? Any direct comparisons to Technivorm or Capresso? Maniac, thanks for your comparison thoughts already...

I appreciate the thoughts about the VPR, but it looks just a bit too much for my small kitchen.

So, now it's between Bunn A-10, Capresso ST600, and Technivorm.

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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 10:07am
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justin57 Said:

I've done more reading and decided to cut the BTX from the list. I saw reviews on this site that said the coffee was not as hot as it could be and flat.

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The BTX & all the home models brew @ 200F.
Specifically, I would like to hear from someone about the Bunn A-10. Can its temperature be adjusted?
All BUNN commercial brewers are fully adjustable for a range of brew temperature. http://www.bunn.com/pdfs/commercial/manuals/32507.0000.pdf  Page5, part #6 adjustable bulb thermosat assembly. {;-)

 
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 7:05pm
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I own the Bunn CW-15TC.  You can find my review in the consumer review section.    I went through this same decision a couple of years ago.
My discussion below is based on my commercial Bunn brewer, not the consumer versions.

Technology:  As mentioned before, the technology between the Bunn and TV are completely different.   However, they both can produce the desired 200F brewing temperature.   The TV works like a typical drip brewer in that there is a heating element that heat the water, which causes an evaporative burst which pushes a slug of hot water into the filter basket.   This is like most drip brewers out there.  The Bunn has a reservoir of water (reservoir made of stainless steel), that is surrounded by heating elements and has a thermocouple installed.  An adjustable thermostat (inside one of the panels) lets you adjust the reservoir, and hence brewing, temperature.  For a Bunn, the only thing the Wattage does for you is determine how long it takes the coffee maker to be "ready" after you turn it on and how long it takes to recover between brews.  Also, Bunn gets the water to move with gravity (assuming it's not plumbed into the wall).  The reason you pour the water into the top of a Bunn is that is flows into the reservoir, pushing the hot water out.

Warrantee:  Bunn, 3 years.  For the commercial units, you can easily find replacement parts.  The TV is made in Europe and has far less distribution in the US.

Brewing:  The TV has the best natural brew time (4-6 min).  The Bunn's typical brew on the faster side (3 min), so many users change the spray nozzle to reduce flow.

Construction:  On my Bunn, all the wetted parts are stainless steel, from water inlet through the brew basket.  The TV's brew basket is plastic.  The Capresso is mostly made of plastic.

Grounds Stirring:  The best cups of coffee will occur when you can stir the water and grounds during the brew process (like a French pot or pourover cone).  The TV lets you do this stirring because you can take of the lid while the brew is going.  You can't stir on the Bunn.

Hope this helps.

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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 3:13am
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Nathan,

This does help. My question now is why did you pick the Bunn over the TV?

It seems like both machines have pros/cons.

I have not found a thermal bunn commercial brewer that is carafe-style and under $300. So the A-10 has the glass carafe and quicker brew speed going against it.

The TV has non-commercial construction and plastic parts going against it.

I'm considering these two more than the Capresso as they would be more of a upgrade from my brew central, I think than the capresso would be.

Any other thoughts from folks? Would like to hear more about A-10 from anyone.

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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 5:56am
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I did have the home version of the BUNN for a few years (and I still do I guess, it is on a shelf in the shop, drawing dust!) It produced a good cup of coffee if I remember right. I have replaced all my consumer grade brewers with commercial ones though so I am not up to speed on the state of consumer brewers. In the house, I have pour over drip
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and plumbed in espresso.
http://www.burgessenterprises.net/VenezA1%20Brochure.pdf
Not to mention, press pot, vac pot, moka pot, Aeropress and a manual pour over cone for drip.
In the shop is a plumbed in drip
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/bunn-store/RT-RTF.pdf
as I got a great deal on a BUNN commercial 220V plumb in for $10 in the local Craigs list. New MSRP $1556  and on sale for $957 new so even with the $40 in parts I spent to go through it, I think I got a deal!




I suppose I could sell you the one I have on the shelf at a good price provided it still works properly. I will have to test it and see. I seem to remember that the case was about a 7 or 8 on condition but the brew works were just fine.

A place to go to see most of the BUNN brewers, including those made for the home and that will fit under cabinets is

http://bunn-store.stores.yahoo.net/index.html

You might want to look at the refurb BUNN home makers for $69.99
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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 6:14am
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The main reason's I bought the Bunn vs TV.

First, I thought both would brew a great cup of coffee, so I considered them even there.

Other factors:
- The construction of the Bunn ensures it will last for decades (all stainless exterior and interior, no moving parts, etc.).  Plus, it
was designed in a modular fashion so you can take it apart, repair, and re-assemble with ease.  This really appealed to m.
I was concerned about maintenance on the TV, as I'd have to go through a single distributor, and with the parent company being in Scandanavia.    
- I preferred the look of the Bunn over the TV.
- Larger carafe.  The TV had a 10 cup Euro style carafe (40 oz).   My Bunn with the Zojirushi carafe fits 64 oz.   For the few times a year
I host family, this comes in really handy with keeping cups of coffee flowing.

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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 3:28pm
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justin57 Said:

I've put the Capresso ST600 on the list in its place. I read good reviews about it here and it seems to make the 200 degree mark. Plus it's really cheap: $49.99!

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That's a great price.  I picked up two for somewhere around that price when Amazon blew them out maybe a year ago.  Then they went back up to $160 or something.  They are great brewers.  The only thing that we don't really know about them because they haven't been around that long is durability.  That's kind of a question mark.  I use mine daily to make my wife's half-caf drip and have had no problems so far.  Only time will tell though.

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Posted Sun Jun 14, 2009, 11:24am
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Thanks for the input so far:

Right now I have decided these things are important, ranked in order.

First, a good cup at 200 degress.
Second a thermal carafe.
Third, good quality
Fourth, value for purchase.

This leaves me between the Bunn VPR TC for $200 plus carafe (I've seen two types, one for $30, another for $70, anyone know the difference?)

And the Capresso ST600. $50.
Pluses for it are cost and the fact that I often don't brew more than 3-8 cups. Smaller size and the slower brewing time for less than a full carafe may be better for me, though the bunn would definitely be better to have around for entertaining, and I never would have to upgrade again. Thoughts?
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Posted Sun Jun 14, 2009, 3:00pm
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have you heard of the Aeropress? its not automated, but its a really fast-easy-to-clean way to make drip strong coffee or a mean cup of "espresso". moka pot style, but much tastier and cleaner, clean as drip! look it up! i love it to death! brews at 175 F.

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