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Corvairfan
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Posted Tue Dec 9, 2008, 9:12am
Subject: Drip maker...making water hotter
 

I have a Braun from 1993. It was brewing too cool for me.

Last night I decided to tinker with it.  I noticed that if I brew just a pot of hot water through it, wait 1 minute then make a pot of coffee the water is much hotter.

In fact I made 20 ounces some of that Dunkin Donuts(see my other thread) and it came out really hot and did not have the sour taste that kept showing up in the Bunn that I bought to replace it.

Though I noticed that the grounds had stuck to the walls above the filter so I probably ground too fine. Used about 30 grams of coffee.

So is this a safe way of using this old coffee maker?

I still haven't been able to dial in a useable less than full pot in my new Bunn and that is disappointing. I bought the Bunn hoping for a hotter and better flavored cup of coffee and hasn't happened yet. 1 cup manual pourover is still more consistent.

I am wondering if so long as I spend the 2 minutes brewing say 2 cups of water in the Braun, then brew my 20-30 ounces of real coffee maybe I should try for that if it is a safe method.

Oh, I poured the hot water back into the unit and did a second pot on a lark and water dripping into the pot was 195-200 degrees and the full pot of water came out at 195. But that's not going to be too tasty I bet.

I will be giving the Bunn one last shot with some Peet's beans I will buy today. They were pretty fresh from the Peet's store last week. I know what those taste like at the shop and in a pour-over so I can see if I can finally dial in one of these machines for 1/2 pots of coffee.

Then pick one to use.
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Posted Tue Dec 9, 2008, 9:45am
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What I have always done is used the hottest water possible from the tap.  This prevents the water in the tank from cooling the heated water as it travels up the tube to the spout (most coffee makers, the water drains from the tank, runs through the heating element, then up through a tube running through the water tank).  Doing what you are doing now won't hurt your coffee maker, aside from causing it to wear out faster due to doubling up the brew cycles.
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Posted Tue Dec 9, 2008, 2:14pm
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Hmm...looks like I am onto something. Though I wouldn't use hot water from my hot water tank. Probably nasty stuff in there. But good to know you have tried it when all was hot.
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Posted Wed Dec 10, 2008, 12:37am
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I have done this very thing and found it to be effective.  This is not necessary with the Melitta BCM-4 however since the tube for the hot brew water does not pass thru the reservior.

If you do this at a friend or relatives place use extreme caution especially if they value a tidy kitchen more than the ultimate coffee experience.  The process will go faster and possibly overflow the brew basket.

How do you suppose I know this?

By the way I did clean the mess before it was discovered.

Phil



bodum_fanatic Said:

What I have always done is used the hottest water possible from the tap.  This prevents the water in the tank from cooling the heated water as it travels up the tube to the spout (most coffee makers, the water drains from the tank, runs through the heating element, then up through a tube running through the water tank).  Doing what you are doing now won't hurt your coffee maker, aside from causing it to wear out faster due to doubling up the brew cycles.

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Posted Wed Dec 10, 2008, 7:30am
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No matter the question; when it comes to any way to make something better, Phil's technique will always involve a Melitta BCM4 ;)
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Posted Wed Dec 10, 2008, 9:52am
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I haven't yet figured out how to involve it in pulling espresso shots, but I do love that little thing.

Phil

bodum_fanatic Said:

No matter the question; when it comes to any way to make something better, Phil's technique will always involve a Melitta BCM4 ;)

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Posted Thu Dec 11, 2008, 8:00pm
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I happen to know that there will be a Melitta BCM4, that is still unused, brand new in its original factory packaging (black in color), coming up on ebay starting at 8pm CST on Dec. 12th.
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Posted Sun Jan 18, 2009, 6:29pm
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Caution: Newbie comment ahead...

I have a dumb-dumb Sunbeam auto-drip that almost went into the trash.  But, on a lark, I decided to take boiling water from my teapot and pour it directly in to the reservoir with the basket loaded and brewer switched on.  Tons of commotion, as you would expect, BUT 195F to 204F coming out of the head!!  Eureka (and cheap)!  I am pleased with the result, and now am fiddling with the grind to get closer to a 3:30 to 4:00 water and grinds contact time.  Yesterday's run was as noted above, but after first H2O and bean contact, I killed the power for 25 sec. or so and then turned it back on.  Good coffee.

I have one of the little M BCM4s, too.  My hang-ups with it are two-fold:

  1.  The resulting volume of liquid coming out seems to be 80-90% of the amount of H2O initially put in.  Is this just the amount absorbed by the grounds?

  2.  When brewing using 20 oz of water (straight off the boil, as noted above) and 1.25 oz of ground bean 2-5 days from roasting, the bloom overwhelms the little guy and I have a big mess to clean up.  I suppose I could make less coffee, but 20 oz into my new thermos is how each work day starts....

Advice welcome.

DavidG
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Posted Tue Jan 20, 2009, 3:31pm
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BEFORE YOU BREW WITH HOT TAP WATER YOU SHOULD READ THIS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/health/29real.html

This is more of a science/research backed thing than the whole aluminum debate, which really has little to no solid science backing it up.  Hot tap water = more lead.  Just buy a coffee maker that heats up cold water to the appropriate temperature instead or use a pourover.

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Posted Tue Jan 20, 2009, 5:50pm
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DigMe Said:

This is more of a science/research backed thing than the whole aluminum debate, which really has little to no solid science backing it up.  Hot tap water = more lead.  Just buy a coffee brad

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Hi Brad, I believe David G's saying that he's using hot water from his 'teapot'., meaning tea kettle that's filled with cold tap water.., then brought to a boil..
Yes, hot tap water from the hot water tank/heater will pull/leach out more lead from the old lead based solder for plumbing (haven't read the article) & should never be done. {:-)

 
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