CrotonMark30 Senior Member Joined: 9 May 2008 Posts: 4 Location: NYC Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Fri May 9, 2008, 11:46am Subject: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
OK This is my first post. I really like what I read about the TV BUT I never have seen this question discussed:
What is the maximum number of tablespoons of coffee that can be added to the filter before you cause a flood over the top? I am asking because I have bought too many machines (this means you Cusinart) that claim that they can make 50 oz. of coffee BUT their filters are too small to fully meet the 2 tablespoons of coffee per 6 oz of water ratio.
Since I believe the TV is 1.25L (approx 55 oz) can I put 18 tablespoons of coffee into the filter w/o setting myself up for a mess?
Thanks - Mark
BTW - I am still using a #6 Melitta pourover to make coffee since I have not been able to solve this issue.
Also, anyone know why Melitta no longer makes/sells the #6 size filter top?
Posted Fri May 9, 2008, 1:51pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
I wonder if there isn't some other problem - like maybe your grinder isn't up to the task of grinding coffee beans into consistently-sized particles that will not have too much dust mix in that will cause an overflow.
What grinder are you using? The grinder is the most important component in your coffee-brewing setup.
CrotonMark30 Senior Member Joined: 9 May 2008 Posts: 4 Location: NYC Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Fri May 9, 2008, 2:55pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
I must have mis-spoke. I was speaking PROSPECTIVELY. The problem I have had is that the machines say do not put in >X tablespoons of beans - and it is too small an amt for the water that can go thru the machine. I have a capresso burr grinder
Breeze Senior Member Joined: 3 Dec 2006 Posts: 336 Location: St. Croix, V.I. Expertise: Pro Roaster
Espresso: Pasquini Livia S Grinder: Mazzer Mini Vac Pot: Ford Ranger Drip: TechniVorm Roaster: Toper 1 kilo
Posted Fri May 9, 2008, 4:38pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
I really don't know what the maximum amount of coffee one could place in a TV without a problem but I can put more in mine that I would ever need. Add to that the fact that I shut off the pour flapper until the basket is more than half full and then open it part way for the remainder of the brew. Water/grounds never fill the basket or threaten to spill over. I've even brewed some very fine grounds with no problem.
Kinbote Senior Member Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 42 Location: MA Expertise: I love coffee
Grinder: Cap Infinity Drip: Technivorm
Posted Fri May 9, 2008, 5:38pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
Technivorms can handle larger brews, but 18 tablespoons seems like a lot. I myself use a little less than the recommended 2 tablespoons per 6 ounces of water - so with a full pot, I get cautious with 12+ tablespoons. Especially with fresh coffee (bigger bloom) and a paper filter. With those elements, I think I'd definitely have overflow at 18 tablespoons. But you may be able to manage it. Good luck!
Eiron Senior Member Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 143 Location: Loveland, Colorado Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Quick Mill 0930 Grinder: Quick Mill 031, Solis 166 Drip: Technivorm KBTS Roaster: frying pan & wooden spatula
Posted Sat May 10, 2008, 9:06am Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
CrotonMark30 Said:
... I have bought too many machines ... that claim that they can make 50 oz. of coffee BUT their filters are too small to fully meet the 2 tablespoons of coffee per 6 oz of water ratio.
Since I believe the TV is 1.25L (approx 55 oz) can I put 18 tablespoons of coffee into the filter w/o setting myself up for a mess? ...
Your math is a little off & may be the cause of your overflow problem. One liter is 34 oz, while 1.25 L is just about 42 oz. That would be seven 6 oz cups, or 14 tbs of ground coffee. If you're measuring whole beans, don't forget that they expand in volume slightly when ground. That puts you right in Kinbote's ballpark of about 12 tbs (maybe less?) of whole beans for the big KB741 Technivorm brewer.
Of course, you could always spring for one of the larger, commercial Technivorm models. They make several "3 pint" (48 oz) models (Moccaking, Moccaserver, Thermoking) and a few "1.8 liter" (61 oz) models (MoccaFour Clubline 40, Moccatwin), but, except for the Thermoking, they all support multiple pots. For larger-than-50oz single pot brewing your choices appear to be limited to the three liter Thermoking 3000 or the two gallon (max) Clubmaster models. Since I'm the only one in my house who drinks coffee, just thinking of brewing that much coffee at a time makes me jittery.... :-)
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Posted Mon May 12, 2008, 5:55pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
I have a Technivorm 1.25L and they enclose a scoop intended for 2 cups of 4 oz. The scoop fits about a little more than a tablespoon of whole beans. I use 6-7 full scoops for a full pot of coffee ground fairly fine (not espresso fine but more fine than a normal drip setting). I have no problems with overflow.
Posted Tue Jun 17, 2008, 5:42pm Subject: Re: Technivorm Question - hopefully not too obsessive!!
-0Sorry to be late to the party on this.
The answer is that it depends on the type of filter that you're using, and the grind.
In my thermal moccamaster (KBT741), I can use 6 Technivorm scoops of coarse -- almost presspot -- grind when using a permanent gold filter. Any more results in the grounds overflowing the basket -- even 6 (level) scoops is pushing it. This works out to quite a bit less than the "golden rule" in terms of dosage, but makes for a good cup. I don't mind a little bit of ground in my coffee personally, but it's a practical thing -- when the basket overflows, grounds tend to jam up the flow valve priming you for a big 'ol mess when it comes pouring time and you're ready to shut the flow, and can make for complete overflow (throwaway) pots if the grounds manage to gum up the drip holes on your next pot.
Using a paper filter, I can use the recommended 7 drip-ground TV scoops which is just a hair under the "golden rule" territory.
You get a *very* complete extraction out of this machine, so don't worry too much about matching the recommended dosage exactly. Start with the TV recommended and scale to your taste.
One last note: when using a permanent filter, I strongly recommend tending it with a chopstick stir during bloom if you're using fresh grounds. Extraction is great without stirring, but stirring will keep the bloom from gunking up the showerhead and lids necessitating a full clean after every pot if you're borderline obsessive... and if you're considering a TV, you probably are :-)
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