reptilegrrl Senior Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Texas Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 12:17am Subject: Moka pot or Aeropress?
Which makes the most espresso-like brew?
I have an Aeropress but am not having much success with it. I'm considering trading it in for a moka pot or Brikka. Thoughts? Suggestions? What I want is to get as close as possible to the flavor of espresso.
kramerica Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 68 Location: Israel Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Evolution Grinder: Nemox LUX Plus Vac Pot: Brikka
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 9:12am Subject: Re: Moka pot or Aeropress?
If you are looking for an espresso-like feeling, brikka is the right way to go. IMO it is closer in taste to espresso than to a regular moka pot. In fact, it will be better in taste and closer to "true espresso" than most sub 200$ home espresso machines. from what i've seen around here the Aeropress is similar to moka pot in taste, and moka isn't espresso at all. The brikka on the other hand extracts more flavors and even has crema (or "crema-like emulsion" as some people insist).
reptilegrrl Senior Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Texas Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 2:20pm Subject: Re: Moka pot or Aeropress?
Any suggestions as to where to buy a 2-cup brikka? I keep reading that the 2-cup is better. If I can't get a 2-cup Brikka I'll have to go with a wee moka pot.
kramerica Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 68 Location: Israel Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Evolution Grinder: Nemox LUX Plus Vac Pot: Brikka
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 2:55pm Subject: Re: Moka pot or Aeropress?
If you live in the US I think you're gonna have to order it from italy. many people have done it and its totally safe. About the 4 cup brikka. I'm using both 2-cup and 4-cup. in terms of taste they're exactly the same, in terms of crema, you do get a bit less crema per cup in the 4-cup brikka. If it's 4-cup brikka vs regular moka pot and you want espresso-like coffee, the brikka wins hands down.
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 3:06pm Subject: Re: Moka pot or Aeropress?
I have both Aeropress and moka pot and I vote for moka pot :) Actually don't have a brikka but I want one like crazy! lol! Don't know if it will help to compare but I have 6 cup and 1 cup sized aluminium moka pots and a 3 cup sized stainless steel one. Among 3 of them I can say 1 cup size gives the best result. Even though it's not close to brikka's wannabe crema, one cup sized old school moka pot can produce some foam (much like french press bloom). And coffee tastes better than 3 and 6 cup ones. So my advice would be (if you can't get a brikka) buy the smallest sized moka pot you find. Also it's easier to clean compared to bigger ones ;)
Enkerli Senior Member Joined: 1 Aug 2004 Posts: 711 Location: Montreal, Qc Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: (At cafés, not at home) Grinder: Hario hand grinders Vac Pot: (Moka Pot) Bialetti Brikka Drip: Steep and release pour-over Roaster: iRoast-2
Posted Thu Dec 28, 2006, 4:27pm Subject: Brikka (was: Moka pot or Aeropress?)
Haven't tried the AeroPress yet but it comes up on occasion in our moka/Brikka thread. It does seem like the Brikka is the closest equivalent to espresso. Though, I insist (so people don't get the wrong impression), Brikka and espresso are quite different from one another. Yaron feels that Brikka is closer to espresso than to moka pot coffee. Some people might be a bit disappointed if they expect espresso from a Brikka. On the other hand, you might be very pleasantly surprised by what a Brikka can produce if you try it with an open mind. As for where to buy a Brikka, check out the Brikka Lovers forum. IIRC, they list importers. Mine was bought at a local coffee supply store (in Montreal).
You might still want to try out some non-Brikka moka pot. As Ruya implies, there are differences in taste between the different size pots. But with a bit of experimentation, you can get really interesting coffee from any of them.
From the sound of it, the AeroPress can range from something like a vacuum brew and a good French Press. To my palate, all of these are very pleasurable but quite different from espresso or strong moka pot coffee.
kramerica Senior Member Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 68 Location: Israel Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Evolution Grinder: Nemox LUX Plus Vac Pot: Brikka
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006, 4:13am Subject: Re: Brikka (was: Moka pot or Aeropress?)
Enkerli Said:
Haven't tried the AeroPress yet but it comes up on occasion in our moka/Brikka thread. It does seem like the Brikka is the closest equivalent to espresso. Though, I insist (so people don't get the wrong impression), Brikka and espresso are quite different from one another. Yaron feels that Brikka is closer to espresso than to moka pot coffee. Some people might be a bit disappointed if they expect espresso from a Brikka.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying brikka is espresso. it's absolutely not espresso by definition nor by taste. I do feel that brikka gives the closest result to espresso compared to all other brewing methods i've tried. In those methods i do include cheap home espresso machines.
Enkerli Senior Member Joined: 1 Aug 2004 Posts: 711 Location: Montreal, Qc Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: (At cafés, not at home) Grinder: Hario hand grinders Vac Pot: (Moka Pot) Bialetti Brikka Drip: Steep and release pour-over Roaster: iRoast-2
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006, 8:37am Subject: Re: Brikka (was: Moka pot or Aeropress?)
kramerica Said:
Just to be clear, I'm not saying brikka is espresso. it's absolutely not espresso by definition nor by taste. I do feel that brikka gives the closest result to espresso compared to all other brewing methods i've tried. In those methods i do include cheap home espresso machines.
Sure thing. And coffee, some coffee made in somewhat expensive home espresso machines can be less like espresso than Brikka coffee can. A good barista can pull a decent shot from an inferior machine but someone who carelessly operates a high-end espresso machine can produce inferior results. With the Brikka, there's a lot more leeway. From what people say about the AeroPress, it seems that you get even more leeway, as it's difficult to brew a bad cup in it. It can be as strong in flavour as espresso, and quite satisfying to an espresso drinker. But the AeroPress cup is still more different from espresso than Brikka can be. Someone should really do a blind test or three-way comparison with all of these, using the same coffee blend.
Posted Fri Dec 29, 2006, 11:14am Subject: Re: Moka pot or Aeropress?
reptilegrrl Said:
Which makes the most espresso-like brew?
I have an Aeropress but am not having much success with it. I'm considering trading it in for a moka pot or Brikka. Thoughts? Suggestions? What I want is to get as close as possible to the flavor of espresso.
Hello. I have both the Aeropress and an Italia Moka Pot. To me both produce almost identical results, and neither can be considered anywhere near a true espresso IMHO.
I have no experience with the Brikka ... it is a claim of theirs that they produce a result quite similar to espresso, however.
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