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Posted Sat Feb 25, 2006, 10:07pm
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MarkPrince Said:

Interesting comments!

To add interest, I'd be very interested in hearing if any Clover owners are willing to take Alan Alder up on his "challenge"... including him covering his own airfare / travel to go to the scene of the gauntlet throwdown.

So far not a (public) peep.

Mark

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I'd like to see that.

I finally made peace with my AeroPress. I'd been thinking of it as a PRESS -- it's not. That is, what's important is merely filtering the brew -- not squeezing it through under as much hand pressure as possible. I'm convinced of that now -- though I heard that from Alan long ago and could have merely taken his word for it. I guess I had to get the notion out of my head that increased pressure would somehow make a different cup. I'm now convinced that it in no way does. Which makes sense. Which suggests I've only lately come to my senses.  ;-)

The big question is a no-brainer -- when will the first occasion be when a Clover owner cuts a round out of a Chemex filter and tries an "AeroPress" shot with the Clover? That's SUCH an obvious thing to try. Surely someone's done it.
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 6:17am
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so we installed the clover at the stumptown annex on thursday night and debuted her friday morning. customers are intrigued, it reminds them of a james bond coffee brewer (as one customer described it). it is a truly remarkable machine. lucas (our annex manager), jimmy (one of our roasters) and i played with only two coffees in about a four hour period on saturday afternoon, lining them up with cupping and french press extractions. there are so many things that can be controlled and it is so exciting: dosage, grind setting, brew time, brew temperature, absorption percentage, etc. etc.

so rad, i felt like i was back in college chemistry.

our belmont regular, wire moore, snapped some shots, check it (copy the whole link, don't click):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/87934052@N00/104459524/in/set-72057594070398789/

i hope everyone has the chance to see the clover in action. it is a spectacle and can produce one of the finest cups of coffees you have ever tasted. if you are in portland, you know where you can find me in the next couple weeks for sure.

--sv

 
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 7:47am
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I have not had an opportunity to try coffee produced from one of these.  From what I have seen online, I'd say this machine is not a fad, and that this current design will remain in the hands of coffee shops or restaurants that pride themselves in quality coffee.  Coffee by the cup, that's great.  This machine clearly does not make sense were there is a high volume of sales of a had full of coffees, if the shop is brewing a carafe one after the other, well, it might has well be by the cup.  Then again, even the busiest shops have lulls.  What's the price of this machine?

 
This plan is so bad it must be one of ours!
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 8:55am
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Fleck Said:

so we installed the clover at the stumptown annex on thursday night and debuted her friday morning. customers are intrigued, it reminds them of a james bond coffee brewer (as one customer described it). it is a truly remarkable machine. lucas (our annex manager), jimmy (one of our roasters) and i played with only two coffees in about a four hour period on saturday afternoon, lining them up with cupping and french press extractions. there are so many things that can be controlled and it is so exciting: dosage, grind setting, brew time, brew temperature, absorption percentage, etc. etc.

Posted February 26, 2006 link

So how about clarity? Are there fines in the cup?

In all seriousness, would you mind trying a round of Chemex filter (or similar) under the grind, to see whether extraction works properly? With this thing being vacuum-driven, with the right grind (and therefore adjusted brewing time) I'd imagine it wouldn't be a problem.

The Clover's certainly a beauty -- and I'd imagine that repeatability is extremely valuable. That particular customer comes in and . . .  geez. This much control means more variables to keep track of when that regular customer comes in and says "my usual, please."  ;-)

Slider: Hey, how about this? Take advantage of the basic hardware infrastructure of the Clover and scale it to provide two or three heads? I can't imagine why not. Valves, man. Valves. Three times the heads (pistons?) wouldn't mean three times the gear -- just adding valves to leverage the gear one has. However, it's true that adding more hands to servers might be a problem.   ;-D

I wonder if they'll introduce a "multiple" model. Only once the single does well on the market, I'd think.

The price is outrageous, though. Still, if you charged $2 and made a cup every five minutes, it wouldn't take long to pay for it. Park this sucker in a mall kiosk and run it on a 100% duty cycle and you'd pay for it pretty fast.
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Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006, 3:29pm
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I wonder if they'll introduce a "multiple" model.

a little bird told me that something of that nature may or may not already be in development.

:-)

--stephen

 
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Posted Mon Feb 27, 2006, 7:12pm
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rasqual Said:

I wonder if they'll introduce a "multiple" model.

Posted February 26, 2006 link

The machine we're discussing is called the "Clover 1." Possible clue about the answer to your question?
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Posted Wed Feb 27, 2008, 1:57pm
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MarkPrince Said:

To add interest, I'd be very interested in hearing if any Clover owners are willing to take Alan Alder up on his "challenge"... including him covering his own airfare / travel to go to the scene of the gauntlet throwdown.

Posted February 9, 2006 link

I know this is a dated thread, but in case anyone is curious here's a review of Alan Adler putting his Aeropress up against the Clover and Synesso at the Discovery Coffee in Victoria, BC. click here
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2008, 10:12pm
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As I am rather new to coffee drinking, my palate may not be as refined as it should be to warrant my input.
However, my expectations were not met with my first cup and, I too, felt the lack of body. Frankly I expected to be awed by this $ 11,000.00 machine.   I am also keenly aware that I should try a number of cups with different coffees before I make any conclusions and for that  reason, I'll withhold any serious judgement .  The mechanics and engineering of this machine are astonishing.  

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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2008, 10:31pm
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I tried the Clover last week - an Ethiopian Sidamo.

It was as good as the best coffee I've brewed at home, i.e. with my own roasts and using french press, aeropress, or pour-over. To be able to consistently brew such coffee is great indeed.

Yet as great as that is, it was still a let down, considering that the Clover costs $10,000. While I was expecting coffee from another world, I found it to be "merely" among the best coffee I've brewed at home with far cheaper equipment.  A strange sentiment, I know, but I think you catch my drift.
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2008, 10:51pm
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Fleck Said:

it is a truly remarkable machine. lucas (our annex manager), jimmy (one of our roasters) and i played with only two coffees in about a four hour period on saturday afternoon, lining them up with cupping and french press extractions. there are so many things that can be controlled and it is so exciting: dosage, grind setting, brew time, brew temperature, absorption percentage, etc. etc.

Posted February 26, 2006 link

It takes a commited third wave propriator to even consider trying to pull the Clover off.  I love getting a Clover cup, because I appreciate the research that has gone on top of the already near infinate journey of potential from farm to cup.

I've only had a couple at Ritual in SF, but they have knocked my socks off.  Good luck finding one for $2.
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