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Lefty69
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 7:50am
Subject: Clarity v. Presto
 

This past weekend I hosted a Mothers Day brunch.  I do not have a drip maker at home. so I borrowed my Mother-in Law's Clarity that I had given to her for Xmas ( I had purchased two, one for myself, but the one I kept was defective).  Rather than have to dial back in my Mini, I just used her blade grinder to make coffee.  The coffee used was a PNG from the co-op roasted the day before.  The brewed results were very good.

Same coffee, 2 days later, Capresso Infinity grinder, and presto, brewed in the office.  Coffee was a bit bitter with a lot less brightness, not nearly as tasty.

What is going on here...?  Some thoughts...probably not the grinder.  Maybe 2 days more age of the coffee would result in less brightness, but not likely to cause bitter.  Presto might be brewing at a higher temp than the Clarity, accounts for less acidity and more bitter, right?  Last issue might be the quality of the water used.  Office water is not so good, as far as taste, but would this cause a change in acidity and bitterness.

I have never tasted coffee from a Clarity until this past weekend, so I don't know if this is a one-timer, or how it always has been...

Any thoughts?

Eric
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 8:26am
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Hi Eric, what level would you say the roast is/was? Lighter roasts prefer hotter brewing temps, & darker roasts cooler temps.















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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 8:39am
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I think you have too many variables.

If you want to do it correctly, you need a side by side comparison where the only variable is the machine itself.  That will tell you a lot more that can be considered accurate.

 
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 11:45am
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ChrisatCafeGreenBean Said:

I think you have too many variables.

If you want to do it correctly, you need a side by side comparison where the only variable is the machine itself.  That will tell you a lot more that can be considered accurate.

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you hit the nail with the hammer

so to speak
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 12:25pm
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Yes, & you still didn't answer my question..
















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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 12:35pm
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Craig,  The coffee was a bit of a melange, but I would approximate the majority of the roast to be at FC+.  It was roasted in a hot air popper rather than my std SC/GG setup with the intent of trying to retain the brightness of the coffee.  This was unfortunately only my second try, done in two batches, resulting in the melange.

Chris, I agree with looking at one variable at a time, but that is not likely to happen as the Clarity is not mine and no longer in my posession.  I also do not plan on hauling grinder and Presto home to do proper testing, as you suggest.  

This is not a high priority since I really do not drink a whole lot of drip coffee, and so I was just trying to see if anyone had any suggestions that i could try without investing a whole lot of time.

I will probably attempt to measure water temp of the presto while at work.  I see brew temp as the the most likely culprit.  The roast was not that old in either case, and I used a far superior grinder with the presto.  Bad water might impart a negative taste, but not likely change the taste of the coffee...

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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 12:38pm
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Thanks Eric!

 
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 12:45pm
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Craig, sorry my response took so long,  I left the house for a few hours to take care of some grocery shopping!!  Any thoughts...?

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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 12:55pm
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Lefty69 Said:

Craig, sorry my response took so long,  I left the house for a few hours to take care of some grocery shopping!!  Any thoughts...?

Eric

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Sorry Eric I didn't mean to be impatient. {:-)
Me too!, & I had a 30 lb green coffee order to post. Well, what the other people said is true, but it'd be good to see what the temps are at the brewhead from both machines.

 
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Posted Fri May 13, 2005, 2:16pm
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Lefty69 Said:

Craig, sorry my response took so long,  I left the house for a few hours to take care of some grocery shopping!!  Any thoughts...?

Eric

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Knowing both machines pretty well, I would probably look at the water itself first.  Unless one of the units is defective, the brew temps are probably pretty decent.  But what Craig suggests would be wise too - measure the water temp to make sure.

You can also see some observations of my own on these coffeemakers as well as others at http://www.coffeelinkcentral.com/mystuff


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