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z0mbie
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 1:06am
Subject: Ventless roasting
 

Hi guys..

I have been home roasting on a weekly basis now for several month.  So far I've been able to limit the amount of smoke in my apartment by roasting in tiny batches at a time. But still the place gets pretty smokey and it takes 4 or 5 hours to clear with 2 large Hunter HEPATech air cleaners running at max speed, along with my central air circulation.


I was wondering how some of you home roasters that roast indoors deal with smoke. My kitchen is at one end of my apartment and on the other end are where my windows are, about 60' away.   Unfortunately there is absolutely no ventilation in my kitchen and because it resides below my loft bedroom, there's feasible way to run ventilation either.  

Are there any "ventless" roasting solutions?   That is, a roaster that collects both the chaff AND the smoke?  I know it sounds like a stretch, but no harm in asking :)
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 8:25am
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The Behmor 1600 is probably the only vent less roaster out there that cuts down on smoke but.... Doesn't eliminate it. Have you tried roasting under a range hood? If you want smokeless your going to have to vent the smoke out.  When I owned the Behmor I placed it near a window with a fan behind it on the window sill to suck out any smoke that gets through the smoke suppressor.
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 8:49am
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Though the  Behmor is "ventless", it will probably still fill up a small apartment with smoke. Is roasting next to your windows not an option? If possible, that's probably the only way you'll be able to limit smoke with roasting indoors with no ventilation...
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 9:23am
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It all depends on how dark you roast. The behmor will produce some smoke right before 2c it does have somewhat of a built in afterburner that handles some of the smoke.
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 9:24am
Subject: Re: Ventless roasting
 

Allowing smoke to be created in an indoor space like that may have long term consequences for your health. There is a good amount of particulate matter in the smoke as well as oils and other chemicals that you should not be breathing. If you cannot vent to smoke out a window and you do not have a bathroom or kitchen vent that sends smoke outdoors, bottom line is that you should not be roasting there.

 
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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:52pm
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Do you have a clothes dryer in your apartment?  If yes, I might have a thought or two for ya.

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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 4:47pm
Subject: Re: Ventless roasting
 

Actually there is at least one more roaster which has smoke reduction: the Nesco, formerly known as the Zack and Danni's.  It has a heated catalytic converter.  It is very effective however there is still some smoke. The Nesco is a novel and effective method to roast coffee however I can't recommend buying one unless you get it used.  I see Nesco as hostile to us home coffee roasters in that they won't sell replacement parts.

My hope is that someone else will acquire the rights to this machine and develop it into a larger and more powerful machine and be responsive to our needs.

Phil

Burner0000 Said:

The Behmor 1600 is probably the only vent less roaster out there that cuts down on smoke but.... Doesn't eliminate it. Have you tried roasting under a range hood? If you want smokeless your going to have to vent the smoke out.  When I owned the Behmor I placed it near a window with a fan behind it on the window sill to suck out any smoke that gets through the smoke suppressor.

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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 6:18pm
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PJK Said:

I see Nesco as hostile to us home coffee roasters in that they won't sell replacement parts.

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Sadly, Gene Cafe USA the same policy now.

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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Ventless roasting
 

My first thought would be that we have too many attorneys but Hottop sells their parts on line.  I'm sure they must also have product liability attorneys.

Do Nesco and Gene Café have less than competent attorneys?

Phil




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Sadly, Gene Cafe USA the same policy now.

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Posted Sun Jan 5, 2014, 11:30pm
Subject: Re: Ventless roasting
 

Behmor 1600's patented smoke suppression tech sounds interesting  but I'm wondering how effective it is.   I'm not too keen on roasting machines that don't allow you to see the bean develop in color.
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