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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 7:24am
Subject: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

i have a popperyI that i use for roasting my green beans from indonesia. i do not drink coffee from any other region.
i would like feedback from people that have gone from using a popper to a behmor and whether, with the indonesian beans they see a marked change in flavor.
i have heard that the 8 minute roast that one gets from a popper, going into second crack with the coffee beans does not get the coffee bean thoroughly roasted enough to bring out all of the flavor characteristics.
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 8:47am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

Internet search is your friend. There are other threads here and other places that discuss this:

Click Here (www.sweetmariascoffee.com)
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/543303
Click Here (coffeesnobs.com.au)

That said, most of these are referring to an unmodified roaster. Separating out the heater and fan controls and adding a heat control for profiling stretches the roast and if you can do temperature profiling via a PID it can get some very complex flavors out of the beans. These mods are not terribly difficult on the P1 because it's all AC current. Instructions can be found easily on the internet, including my own project:
http://coffeegeek.com/forums/coffee/homeroast/424057

 
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 9:27am
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It is the 8 minute roast profile that makes the taste profile. The Poppery I has a 1400W heater and without a 'throttle' to control it, roast temperature is too high and fast.  I use a poppery I with Variac heater control.
I've never done a good 8 minute roast. 10-11 minutes is my usual range with 3-4 minutes finish.

Unless you modify it, the poppery is a popcorn popper, the Behmor is a coffee roaster.
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 2:11pm
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

I had an FR+8, an ancestor to the FR500, which is much like a popper.  I had it tricked out with temperature-control and data-logging and somehow managed to stretch the roast-time out to 8 minutes.

I now have a Behmor.  My roast times vary between 16 and 18 minutes, for a 10 oz batch.

I do notice a difference in taste, with a slower roast.  

The other issue is that when things are happening slower, I have more time to consider and then react.  When I do find the 'sweet-spot' in the bean there is a greater likelihood that I will hit it again the next time.  

With roasting there is also the issue of 'right-sizing'.  A 10 oz roast nets out roughly 8.2 oz ( half a lb) which lasts me around 2 weeks.  After 2 years with the FR+8 doing 4 oz roasts it was using up too much of my time.

 
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 3:21pm
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

JKalpin Said:

After 2 years with the FR+8 doing 4 oz roasts it was using up too much of my time.

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Amen brother. On my P1 even with a glass chimney, I roast about 113 gram batches. It takes me over an hour to roast a pound of green beans, which nets about 14 oz of roasted. (good for about 2 weeks at my consumption rate) It does get old sitting and monitoring the roast for that long, even with automated controls (never walk away from a running roaster!).

 
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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 5:16am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

jkalpin you make alot of sense about the arguement for getting a behmor, so i will probably get a behmor in the not too distant future.
i like the idea of having a dedicated drum roaster for coffee beans to get the full coffee bean taste charateristics.
thanks to all for reading my question and taking the time to answer
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Posted Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:24am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

I roast about 4-5 pounds per month for espresso, drip and press.  Because I have a lot of things to do, I have to use a method with a one pound batch size.  My Behmor has finally pooped out on me, so I am doing the stovetop stockpot roasting method and HG/DB in the good weather outside.  I roast a pound (three cups by volume) in approximately 13-15 minutes.  The Behmor and the stovetop methods give me the deeper flavor that my wife and I prefer, as opposed to the brighter flavor of the air poppers.

 
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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:53am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

Frost Said:

It is the 8 minute roast profile that makes the taste profile. The Poppery I has a 1400W heater and without a 'throttle' to control it, roast temperature is too high and fast.  I use a poppery I with Variac heater control.
I've never done a good 8 minute roast. 10-11 minutes is my usual range with 3-4 minutes finish.

Unless you modify it, the poppery is a popcorn popper, the Behmor is a coffee roaster.

Posted September 20, 2013 link

+1

I use both (Poppery I with a Variac) and I agree with the above statement. This is the best way I have found to slow down the roast using the Poppery I. Another way to stretch things once 1st crack starts involves a used Hoover upright vac - I stick the hose close to the top of my soup can chimney and vac away some heat to add some time.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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