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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 2:20am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

i have considered the options and for now i will try to extend the roast of the popperyI
also i have modded a popperyII that is 1200 watts so i will see if the roasts are better using that
the heat gun roast from what i researched takes 15 minutes of stirring and applying heat from a 60 dollar or so heat gun and preferable done outside due to chaff and smoke, so i will pass on that.
i understand that fluid air roasting gives brighter notes so i will probably go to a drum roaster for fuller body to my beans.
thanks again for the input.
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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 3:45am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

acorn54 Said:

i understand that fluid air roasting gives brighter notes so I will probably go to a drum roaster for fuller body to my beans.

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While there may be subtle differences in the taste of coffee in fluid bed vs. drum roasting, these differences are far outweighed by the roast profile. A roast profile in not just a destination but also a journey. You can get to second crack in 8 or 9 minutes, or you can get there in 20 minutes, and even then, that is just the destination. There are a lot of roads that lead you there. Maybe an infinite number of them.

I have use popcorn poppers, two commercial air roasters, and drum roasters from two different companies. Uncontrolled air roasting (that is, a roaster that gives the user the choice of on or off and that is all) will usually produce a bright, acidic, undeveloped taste in the cup because their fast roast does not allow the inside of the bean to develop to the extent that the outside of the bean does.

 
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Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 3:01am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

Popper can only be used outside. If the weather is not good, then no coffee roasting can be done, whereas for Behmor, roasting can be done both indoors and outdoors. However, you need to monitor its temperature because lower temperature can slow down the roasting process.

Just a reminder that the roasting of Behmor is quiet slower compared to popper that makes the coffee mellower and smoother taste.

 
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Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 5:01am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

CoffeeLoversMag Said:

Popper can only be used outside. If the weather is not good, then no coffee roasting can be done

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Not true. Many of us vent the smoke from poppers quite well.

 
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Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:29am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

what i am doing with the popperyI at present is roasting until beginning of second crack, then letting a day go by and re-roasting the next day into second crack this gives the beans about a total 14 minute roast. i seem to get a decent taste, at least as good as the beans i get freshly roasted at fairway
i am looking to a behmore though lol
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Posted Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:20pm
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acorn54 Said:

what i am doing with the popperyI at present is roasting until beginning of second crack, then letting a day go by and re-roasting the next day into second crack ..

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SERIOUSLY?! This ain't a potato. You can twice-bake it. Once a coffee bean is roasted, re-roasting will likely  just ruin whatever flavor was left in it. If the beans start out as low quality then maybe that's a good thing.
If you have really been doing that, you will be amazed at the difference that the Behmor will make.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 29, 2013, 4:39pm
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

Yes there's usually a big difference in coffees roasted on an inexpensive fluid bed and an entry-level home drum roaster -- even if times and "profiles" are similar.  A lot depends on the person doing the roasting, and also on what kind of mods -- if any -- were made to the roaster.  Also, some fluid beds have more in common with drums than others.  The Gene Cafe, for instance, which is something of a hybrid.

If you want a residential sized drum roaster, and if you can afford it without eating ramen every night for a month, I suggest a HotTop "B" over a Behmor.  

Nothing against Behmor, which was my first drum roaster, but the HotTop offers FAR better control right out of the box, and is much easier to mod down the line.  It's less susceptible to chaff fires; more interactive (i.e., more like a "real roaster"); additionally, the stirrer in the cooling tray makes it look more like a real roaster;" and it's considerably more fun to use.  Better results, too -- once you get the hang of it.  

The difference in capacity between the HT and Behmor is less than you might think.  Despite it's nominal max rating of 16oz max, the Behmor's practical dosing range is 225g - 350g; at anything more than 350g (around 12oz) it's too slow.  While the HT's range is around 150g - 250g.  The HT is actually a little faster roasting a 250g dose than the Behmor.  

In any case, good luck!

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Posted Tue Oct 1, 2013, 4:20pm
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acorn54 Said:

what i am doing with the popperyI at present is roasting until beginning of second crack, then letting a day go by and re-roasting the next day into second crack this gives the beans about a total 14 minute roast......

Posted September 25, 2013 link

Whoa! I missed that one.  Don't try to re-invent roasting. Use the guide of those who have gone before you. (for centuries!) Twice roasted coffee may solve some of the problems in the first roast but will definitely cook any remaining life or character out of them.
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Posted Thu Oct 3, 2013, 8:05am
Subject: Re: using a popper vs behmor, is there a significant difference,taste wise?
 

I would have preferred to buy a HotTop.  Here are my reasons for the Behmor choice:

First and foremost, $300 was more affordable (than $800 - $1000).

The Behmor resembles a microwave oven (not out of place in a kitchen); it would have been impossible to talk my wife into having a HotTop living in 'her' kitchen.

I live in a condo where winter roasting outside is impossible.  But …I have a stovetop hood, which does well in removing the smoke, with the Behmor rear air outlet.  Nevertheless, after 2 roasts my condo does reek some (although I have never set off the smoke alarms).  My experience is that most of the smell and smoke occurs in the last minute or two of roasting and the first minute or two of cooling.  The HotTop dumps into a rotating tray for cooling and …that's where I would run into trouble with smoke alarms (and my wife).  

Along the same argument, chaff control in the kitchen is a major issue.  In the Behmor, the entire process is completed inside a box.  I have a small automotive vacuum-cleaner with a short hose.  I open the door and vacuum all the chaff I can see.  I remove the tray and vacuum it.  I remove the drum and dump the roast into a colander.  Then I vacuum the inside of the roaster (including the inlet of the afterburner).  Doing things this way I NEVER lose control of the chaff and have need to vacuum-up and wipe-down the kitchen counters and the floor.  When I empty the little vacuum dirt-filter I am always amazed at the volume of chaff I get from (say) 2- 10-oz roasts (= 1.1 lb as roasted).  

Last but not least, I have seldom encountered a company as responsive to problems as Behmor.  I don't see Joe Behm doing much advertising;  he gets his business by word-of-mouth (or notes like this) from satisfied customers.

 
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Posted Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:31pm
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As an aside...


I beg you...


Forget the "soup", aka tin cans, period.   They call them tin cans why?   Because they are steel coated with tin - a toxic when heated.  Chimneys are useful, but not from tin cans -  you can make a chimney or two out of cheap sheet aluminum from Home Despot, cut a strip, fashion into a chimney, insert into the popper, and then use a couple stainless hose clamps to finalize the diameter.    No tin, no toxics.   Made out of the same material - aluminum - as the popper's own heating cup.
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