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Posted Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:34am
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

Looks like the 5002 gives full control over the roast.The real question is how much money for one of these? Air roasting is quicker but when done by someone that knows their machine it will be of the same quality as a drum roaster. I suspect the 5002 is around what I paid for my Diedrich 1kg roaster.
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Posted Tue Jul 24, 2012, 1:21pm
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

Netphilosopher Said:

These have popped up in a few locations locally.  They are essentially large-capacity forced hot-air roasters with pre-set profiles for bean varieties.

I'm not completely sold on them because they roast so rapidly - approximately 6 minutes to finish a roast (even well into 2C).  Samples from their roaster are definitely superior to much bagged coffee, but has a somewhat harsh character to it, especially noticeable on Guats and other decent centrals as well as African varieties.

They do have a great selection of green coffee, though, at very good price.

http://javamasters.com/the-roaster.html

Posted July 24, 2012 link

I can never figure out why some manufacturers of hot air roasters push the fact that their roasters can roast 6 minutes to over 2nd crack when the optimum is around 12 minutes for a full city + roast (as far as the data I have seen).  Why don't they just turn the juice down a bit to achieve a better roast??

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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 4:41am
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From the appearance (and colour ...red) I think the Longo's Store at Bathurst and Rutherford in Thornhill Ontario Canada has had a 5002 in service for around a year.  

The guy that runs it seems to know very little about coffee.  He says ...he goes on temperature only.  He pulls the roast at this temp or that to get this level or that.  He seems to know nothing of the process.

So I'm thinking it's a Commercial Appliance, designed to operate safely in a supermarket, without a professional roaster (person) to manage it.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 9:49am
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:16am
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

JKalpin Said:

From the appearance (and colour ...red) I think the Longo's Store at Bathurst and Rutherford in Thornhill Ontario Canada has had a 5002 in service for around a year.  

The guy that runs it seems to know very little about coffee.  He says ...he goes on temperature only.  He pulls the roast at this temp or that to get this level or that.  He seems to know nothing of the process.

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O.T. Hi Jerry, not a JavaMaster Coffee Roaster at my local Fortinos at Hwy 27 & Rexdale Blvd (they have a 12kg Probat drum roaster), but the same situation. It was a girl I was talking to 5 years back & she/they/staff that roast know absolutely ZERO about the process. They have the green coffees weighed out in 12kg tubs with a "cheat sheet" on it, so they're only trained to follow the instructions for that particular bean., as you say "goes on temperature only. He pulls the roast at this temp or that to get this level or that"

The roasts at the Fortinos were way too light, grassy, & not even out of 1st crack by the look & taste of them. Very sad & it shows in the flavor of the coffee, lousy! {:'-(

 
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 1:33pm
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

Also O. T. Craig, the interesting part is the bins of coffee around the roasting station.  The prices range from $4 to $8 /100g for specialty coffees.  That's expensive, even considering that sealed Illy on the adjacent grocery shelf sells for $12 for 8.5 Oz (240 gm).

Nevertheless, one of my sons (not Adam) buys there when he's 'stuck'.  He prefers my roast.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

JKalpin Said:

Nevertheless, one of my sons (not Adam) buys there when he's 'stuck'.  He prefers my roast.

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That's great that he prefers your roasts Jerry!

 
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Posted Wed Jul 25, 2012, 2:13pm
Subject: Re: Anyone Look at JavaMaster Coffee Roaster 3002?
 

CraigA Said:

O.T. Hi Jerry, not a JavaMaster Coffee Roaster at my local Fortinos at Hwy 27 & Rexdale Blvd (they have a 12kg Probat drum roaster), but the same situation. It was a girl I was talking to 5 years back & she/they/staff that roast know absolutely ZERO about the process. They have the green coffees weighed out in 12kg tubs with a "cheat sheet" on it, so they're only trained to follow the instructions for that particular bean., as you say "goes on temperature only. He pulls the roast at this temp or that to get this level or that"

The roasts at the Fortinos were way too light, grassy, & not even out of 1st crack by the look & taste of them. Very sad & it shows in the flavor of the coffee, lousy! {:'-(

Posted July 25, 2012 link

Craig, did they measure temp of bean mass?  I have been using the time and temp section of a guide that Tom has on the SM website and have found it to be pretty much on the money.  I go for a Full City+ with a single origin and at 11:50 @ 454F (sea level), roasting 5 lbs. at a time, and I'm hitting it all the time.
 
Click Here (www.sweetmarias.com)

I gather that one is to likely use the guide as a general reference, but its been working well for me.  I'm measuring temp of bean mass.

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