gregpullman Senior Member Joined: 4 Jul 2002 Posts: 57 Location: Adelaide, Australia Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Expobar Minore III Grinder: Mazzer Super Jolly Roaster: Hottop B&P, redundant Gene...
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2012, 8:34pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
Interesting Randy... what did Joe have to say about which market the Behmor is aimed at vs the Hottop? In any product Some people seem to think whatever they use is THE product for all people so it would be interesting to hear what the guy who made it sees as its market.
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:28pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
We didn't get into the specifics of that, but I think it is at least somewhat obvious based on the price points. Based on the general function, the control level of the "B" is unmatched )(in my somewhat-prejudiced opinion, if only because I have been using them for so many years and am on fairly intimate terms with the workings of them) , and for the price and capacity, the Behmor is a very good value. I have never used one, but from what I have heard and read, the Behmor would drive me nuts. Call me a control freak.. ;-)
We actually spent much of the time talking about his new brewer which when it arrives will give me more excuse to run the Hottop more! Coming soon to a home coffee shop near you... "WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE" ;-)
gregpullman Senior Member Joined: 4 Jul 2002 Posts: 57 Location: Adelaide, Australia Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Expobar Minore III Grinder: Mazzer Super Jolly Roaster: Hottop B&P, redundant Gene...
Posted Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:26pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
thanks. It's bizarre, if someone dared suggest on a certain AU forum the behmor's evident lack of control meant it was less capable of professional results than a hottop you'd be crucified, accused of commercial bias, howled down by people who don't sell the hottop and so on. Nice to read a bit of self-evident common sense. I've got a behmor and its value for money is indisputable, but control, experimenting and consistent results across batch variations are not its strong points.
I think it would as you know how to roast and more specifically, what you need to do to get the results you personally want.
I think the Behmor is more suited to those who haven't roasted before to get used to the sights and sounds etc. of roasting. In which case, it's probably a good introduction and in most cases, a step up from buying supermarket beans.
gucciago Senior Member Joined: 6 Apr 2004 Posts: 79 Location: Palm Beach,FL Expertise: Pro Roaster
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Posted Fri Jun 22, 2012, 2:08pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
Yeah I should have explained more before posting... lol My point was in my case, at 8 oz id be roasting everyday just to keep my family satisfied... lol I have a Behmor and of course no experience with a hottop and it does look like a nice machine... I roast on a custom made sample roaster and it works fantastically and the behmor I use occasionally , Im currently in the market for a Dedrich 1kilo or similar for my local roasting business , however Ive been roasting for about 12 years and can get some fantastic roasts with the Behmor that even though different than the batch roaster, are great... 8 oz just to me seems like such a small roast for 1000$ after tax... so comment was not to badmouth the HOTTOP.. but to show frustration on the exuberant price ... I remember when it was around 600 maybe less it seems I remember and I thought it was too expensive then also! maybe I need try one.. maybe its Gods gift to small roasters! lol
Posted Fri Jun 22, 2012, 3:11pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
gucciago Said:
Yeah I should have explained more before posting... lol My point was in my case, at 8 oz id be roasting everyday just to keep my family satisfied... lol I have a Behmor and of course no experience with a hottop and it does look like a nice machine... I roast on a custom made sample roaster and it works fantastically and the behmor I use occasionally , Im currently in the market for a Dedrich 1kilo or similar for my local roasting business , however Ive been roasting for about 12 years and can get some fantastic roasts with the Behmor that even though different than the batch roaster, are great... 8 oz just to me seems like such a small roast for 1000$ after tax... so comment was not to badmouth the HOTTOP.. but to show frustration on the exuberant price ... I remember when it was around 600 maybe less it seems I remember and I thought it was too expensive then also! maybe I need try one.. maybe its Gods gift to small roasters! lol
If you need more coffee, it's as simple as doing a couple batches in a sitting. By removing the bean chute cover, rear filter, and face plate and running it through its cooling cycle, it gets down to the appropriate temperature pretty quickly.
You pay for the control over the roast. That includes the cooling process. I'm not arguing against the Behmor either. I think that they both have their niche in the market and are both fantastic roasters.
Posted Fri Jun 22, 2012, 8:28pm Subject: Re: Hottop v. Behmor
I think this thread is really about 'control'. However, that is not the only criterion:
My Behmor looks good in the kitchen. As I live in a condo, that's the only possible place for indoor roasting.
Under the stove hood with the fan on low it does not set off smoke alarms.
After I 'peg' the best spot for a bean (usually 3 roasts) I can reproduce that result time after time. As I usually buy 10-15 lbs at a time it is more a production roaster than an experimental machine.
For 1/3 the price of a Hottop I get 80% of the bean potential. It's an economical solution.
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