jfutral Senior Member Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Posts: 51 Location: Atlanta Expertise: Just starting
Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 8:12am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
Netphilosopher Said:
Oooh... 3kW instead of 1.6kW. The Behmor 3000! With MANUAL element control!!!!
:D
We could do probably a lb with no sweat, maybe more... I've always thought that it would be great to be able to do 575g of green, 1C at 9:00. Then you could have a home roaster that YIELDS 1 lb of roasted coffee per batch.
The Behmor 3000M/1Y (3kW heating, manual element control, 1lb yield)... ;^)
Or more efficient heating elements, if there is such a thing.
At the point of roasting more than a pound (and probably even a pound, I don't know, I just got my Behmor and haven't gotten past the 1/4 lb stage yet) I can't imagine the afterburner eliminating enough smoke to use the thing indoors without a dedicated exhaust, anyway, so maybe eliminating the after burner is the way to go. As it is the amps are around 13+/- depending on voltage. 15 is the limit of most household receptacles even if attached to a 20 amp breaker.
[edit: Sorry. I meant eliminating the afterburner to allow for a third element, if that is the only way to add heat, and if that is the only way to do what others feel the need for. I'm not there, yet. Doubt I will be. I just look forward to half pound roasts. that usually gets me through a week. Seems some of you boys just need to upgrade to a commercial roaster. At least a Sonofresco (which always looks like it reads "Son of resco" to me). JF]
Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 11:17am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
I would guess, that if a third element was added of the same power as the afterburner and used to help get the roast started and then turned off as soon as the afterburner was called for, that the improvement would be significant. As far as I can tell, it's the beginning of the roast that needs more heat, rarely the end. That's a common feature in espresso machines. Mine would need a 20 amp circuit if it heated both boilers at once, but works fine on 15 because it can only heat one at a time.
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Espresso: d2 Grinder: maj Vac Pot: no Drip: pouring over. pressing. Roaster: B1.6K
Posted Wed Feb 8, 2012, 7:10pm Subject: Re: Behmor modification
This thread is a strange one.
Is the conclusion that discussing modification of the B1600 in any way is so incredibly dangerous that it shall not be done? I think I understand the guy who pulled down his modifications---who cares. He knows what he did is killer, he tried to talk about it, but it isn't worth it. The point of the whole CG forum isn't worth real trouble. Talk about stuff we are interested in, except if it is about modifying the Behmor. It is terribly disappointing.
Perhaps Mr. Behm should go edit his post that reads "...and open the door for Behmor..."
This HAS to be a safety concern.
Is it possible that a technical writer and a lawyer couldn't put together a manual for the Behmor that protects everyone adequately such that Mr. Behm doesn't need to monitor the behavior of every one of the product's owners for fear of eventual litigation?
Is it not enough that the language exists in the manual about "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ALTER THIS SAFETY FEATURE OR ANY OTHER FEATURE..." and so on?
Maybe it should read---"Do not supply this unit with electricity, or stand near it. Or even look at it."
Is this thread normal? I've read somewhere about people taking their mazzers and removing the finger guards and fooling the shutoff switches and plenty of other stuff. You're telling me that discussions of how to disassemble a Silvia into a set of wires and boxes that still makes espresso is OK, but the cherished Behmor's insides shouldn't be discussed?
I would love to see an appropriate discussion of the location and purpose of the Behmor features. We all know that the broken stream-of-consciousness manual isn't going to really explain anything about how the thing works! What are the details?
I think Joe Behm is a brilliant entrepreneur and must be a hell of a designer and engineer. It is a great object and deserves the credit it gets around here, but it's status as somehow holy is baffling to me.
The problem may be the strange lack of attention to detail when it comes to the documentation. The manual is poorly organized, poorly written, repetitive and incomplete.
The formatting problems are unbelievable and amateur. Tables that are spread over pages (how could no one correct this?) references to color in black and white figures. Section headings as the last lines on pages. My favorite might be the ***Rosetta Stone*** constantly referred to on this forum, but not clearly labeled even in the place where people are eventually referred when they ask to be in on the inside joke---although the subsection is clearly labeled in the "Quick Guide." Perhaps it could be argued that this device simply shouldn't have a quick guide (which you will find on the inside of a supplemental pamphlet which on the outside is labeled as how to install the low profile chaff tray).
The manual should get it all right the first time.
Go look at the manual for your electric stove and compare them to the Behmor 1600 manual. One looks like it was created by professionals for a very specific reason. One looks like it was slapped together on MS Word---poorly.
I doubt Maytag is loosing sleep if someone posts a how-to on turning their electric range into a television.
Not sure how the stores get away with selling matches.
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Posted Thu Feb 9, 2012, 4:10pm Subject: Re: Behmor modification
username Said:
This thread is a strange one.
The problem may be the strange lack of attention to detail when it comes to the documentation. The manual is poorly organized, poorly written, repetitive and incomplete.
The formatting problems are unbelievable and amateur. Tables that are spread over pages (how could no one correct this?) references to color in black and white figures. Section headings as the last lines on pages. My favorite might be the ***Rosetta Stone*** constantly referred to on this forum, but not clearly labeled even in the place where people are eventually referred when they ask to be in on the inside joke---although the subsection is clearly labeled in the "Quick Guide." Perhaps it could be argued that this device simply shouldn't have a quick guide (which you will find on the inside of a supplemental pamphlet which on the outside is labeled as how to install the low profile chaff tray).
The manual should get it all right the first time.
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