Everyone should also realize that selling a used roaster can put you in the chain of investigation should something happen after the sale. This too has been reported as happening.
infinus Senior Member Joined: 20 Jan 2012 Posts: 73 Location: Indiana, USA Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Cheap POS Grinder: Baratza Preciso Vac Pot: Broken by the cats! Drip: Brazen, Technivorm Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 8:45am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
As long as attention is paid to the roaster I see no reason why it should have to be used outside. It's no different than walking away from a toaster oven that's on, or leaving a small electric area heater running and unattended. All those things are perfectly safe as long as you don't leave them running unattended.
I just don't see how it's possible to protect people from themselves. As a home owner I can think of about 1000 different things I do in my house that CAN be just as dangerous as any coffee roaster. I wired my own 220 volt electric circuit in my garage. I've also installed a sump pump (electricity running into an area with water), repaired sub floor (front entrance of home, people actually walk on it!), I've fixed plumbing (oh my gosh toxic sewage gases!)...... It's VERY possible for me to burn my house down or cause injury to people doing that. Welcome to home ownership! For the most part however, barring proof of intent (ie: larson), home insurance is there to protect people from their own stupidity.
So while I understand where Joe is coming from, my personal feelings on the topic differ. I believe there are safe ways of doing your own work, and doing it safely. I also believe there are laws in place to protect people that blog or post things online, otherwise none of these forums would even exist to begin with. Out of respect for Joe's product however I still choose to comply with his wishes.
While I know people roast inside, in fact a good friend of mine does exactly that, personally I'd still never roast inside - but I did say I'm overcautious. It certainly IS different from a toaster oven - you're purposefully taking something into territory where it is much closer to ignition temperature of paper, chaff, oil, etc., and the surface of the roaster gets hotter than any toaster or toaster oven I've used. Even with the afterburner, smoke is still an issue.
It would be hard for this roaster to catch my kitchen on fire when it's sitting on a concrete slab outside, with a couple of fire extinguishers nearby. But whatever floats your boat - but I think that if you do roast inside (just my personal opinion) you should limit your roasts to no more than 100-170 grams of coffee. Less thermal mass, less fuel IF it were to catch. Less smoke... but I know what's working for me may not work for others. I'm not right, just cautious.
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Joel_B Senior Member Joined: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,823 Location: Pacific NW Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Astra Mega II Grinder: Mazzer SJ, Virtuoso Vac Pot: Yama 5 cup Drip: nope, french press Roaster: Behmor, WP, BBQ drum
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 9:06am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
infinus Said:
As long as attention is paid to the roaster I see no reason why it should have to be used outside. It's no different than walking away from a toaster oven that's on, or leaving a small electric area heater running and unattended. All those things are perfectly safe as long as you don't leave them running unattended.
Agreed. Ive roasted inside and out. Don't know that it's the most dangerous thing in my kitchen. And if anyone doesn't have a fire extiguisher in their kitchen, it's advisable you should. And next to your roaster regardless of where you're roasting.
So while I understand where Joe is coming from, my personal feelings on the topic differ. I believe there are safe ways of doing your own work, and doing it safely.x]
Michael, I agree with you 100%. But for every diligent fellow like youreself there's 10 irresponsible people willing to do the same thing. I think some of Joe's motivation is CYA. But he probably has a different perspective dealing with insurance and attornies. I don't know there's a right or wrong in whether you post the directions or not, but I respect your respect of another CG member.
jfutral Senior Member Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Posts: 51 Location: Atlanta Expertise: Just starting
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 9:31am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
Netphilosopher Said:
It certainly IS different from a toaster oven - you're purposefully taking something into territory where it is much closer to ignition temperature of paper, chaff, oil, etc.,
jfutral Senior Member Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Posts: 51 Location: Atlanta Expertise: Just starting
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 9:33am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
Joel_B Said:
But for every diligent fellow like youreself there's 10 irresponsible people willing to do the same thing. I think some of Joe's motivation is CYA. But he probably has a different perspective dealing with insurance and attornies. I don't know there's a right or wrong in whether you post the directions or not, but I respect your respect of another CG member.
farmroast Senior Member Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 1,417 Location: Amherst MA. Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Oly:Cremina,Maxi. MCAL... Grinder: Majors, Dienes Vac Pot: Hellem10 Drip: CCD, and more Roaster: 1kg. DreamRoast
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 9:54am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
Any home roaster manufacturers will have coverage concerning recommended use. The user and it's possible those who suggest doing anything else can then be considered the or part of the fault should something ever happen. Until fault is proven the manufacturer can be part of an investigation even if it is then proven to be a user issue, part of the reason they don't want anything not recommended to ever be done or even talked about. Including something like opening the door of the Behmor during the roast that goes against the listed rules.
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infinus Senior Member Joined: 20 Jan 2012 Posts: 73 Location: Indiana, USA Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Cheap POS Grinder: Baratza Preciso Vac Pot: Broken by the cats! Drip: Brazen, Technivorm Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:43am Subject: Re: Behmor modification
Too many Joe's.......
TahoeJoe, still have to say that I do love my roaster. I really hope you find a way to add a bit more control. I think it's been said many times that if we could just get a little more power for that first crack ramp @ 1 lb and/or the ability to tell the machine when first crack hits to enter phase 2 of the program you'd certiainly make a lot of us happy. Every machine has it's quirks and whether or not we always agree on everything it's nice to see you participating and taking our feedback.
Joel_B Senior Member Joined: 9 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,823 Location: Pacific NW Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Astra Mega II Grinder: Mazzer SJ, Virtuoso Vac Pot: Yama 5 cup Drip: nope, french press Roaster: Behmor, WP, BBQ drum
Posted Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:19pm Subject: Re: Behmor modification
infinus Said:
TahoeJoe, still have to say that I do love my roaster. I really hope you find a way to add a bit more control. I think it's been said many times that if we could just get a little more power for that first crack ramp @ 1 lb and/or the ability to tell the machine when first crack hits to enter phase 2 of the program you'd certiainly make a lot of us happy.
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