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Netphilosopher
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Posted Tue Jan 25, 2011, 4:14pm
Subject: Re: Next Gen Behmor 1600 Improvements, and other musings.
 

I'll add to that:
I know the Behmor is well loved, but the form factor alone has kept me from it.  Change it to a 'little drum roaster' form factor, similar to the Hot Top.
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 7:04am
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That's why I bought a Hottop and not a Behmor.

 
"I have measured out my life with coffee spoons" - T.S. Eliot
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 8:25am
Subject: Re: Next Gen Behmor 1600 Improvements, and other musings.
 

P2 is by far the most frustrating part of the unit. Being able to manually drop the wattage and kick it back up to finish the roast, while preserving the overall time of the roast should keep the lawyers happy, I would think. That what this is all about anyway. Keeping the unit safe, which I have absolutely no problem with. I have no need for temp info (just another variable). The cracks are very easy to hear. As far as looks go...is there an eye roll smiley around here. Who cares what it looks like? It works like a champ!

Good luck!
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 11:32am
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While it's fun to dream of additional functionality (I do too) the bottom line is that for $300 you get a roaster that easily does great roasts with little input from the user and does it again and again with repeatability. I've done over 300 pounds in 3 years and my ONLY disappointments were either subpar beans or user error.

Your $425 "Behmor Plus" might make an excellent additional product for the line, but I'd hate to see the less expensive, streamlined, no-bells-and-whistles version vanish.
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 1:20pm
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harmolodic Said:

While it's fun to dream of additional functionality (I do too) the bottom line is that for $300 you get a roaster that easily does great roasts with little input from the user and does it again and again with repeatability. I've done over 300 pounds in 3 years and my ONLY disappointments were either subpar beans or user error.

Your $425 "Behmor Plus" might make an excellent additional product for the line, but I'd hate to see the less expensive, streamlined, no-bells-and-whistles version vanish.

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I don't know that it would add much cost to allow users to manually control the power setting.  Just that alone would improve the functionality greatly.  I am a satisfied user, but really want more control of the temps.
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 1:28pm
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harmolodic Said:

While it's fun to dream of additional functionality (I do too) the bottom line is that for $300 you get a roaster that easily does great roasts with little input from the user and does it again and again with repeatability. I've done over 300 pounds in 3 years and my ONLY disappointments were either subpar beans or user error.

Your $425 "Behmor Plus" might make an excellent additional product for the line, but I'd hate to see the less expensive, streamlined, no-bells-and-whistles version vanish.

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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Next Gen Behmor 1600 Improvements, and other musings.
 

mbrowne999 Said:

I don't know that it would add much cost to allow users to manually control the power setting.

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People tend to look at a raw cost such as you are.

Say it's $20 more in raw materials to manufacture.

You then need to consider:
1) Amortized R&D costs (years)- engineers both electrical and electronic, draftsman, software designers
2) Mock-up costs
3) test costs
4) new certifcation(UL/ETL etc) costs
5) new insurance costs
6) larger tariffs, duties and import fees
7) new tooling
8) cost of money
9) greater fees to assemble
etc etc etc

The above could easily be $300-400,000.

Those all have to be figured in and then a return on the investment.

When averaged into a set build you could actually have an average cost per unit increase of $100-120 before dealer or manufacturing profits are added.

It isn't just the cost of a part that needs to be looked at, but all of the above and more, such as total available markets. If one considers the limited market coffeer roasters has, all of the costs 1-8 need to be of a greater average per unit.

Then you add in redesigns for 220volt systems..

To get 70% of the wish list I'd venture to guess you'd be looking at $150 price increase possibly a bit more
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Next Gen Behmor 1600 Improvements, and other musings.
 

Why wait for the next rev? I would wire some type of attenuator directly on the heater element, select 1lb P1 and do the heater control manually/directly.  I would also add some type of thermometer but could likely get by with an environment probe only.
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Posted Wed Jan 26, 2011, 10:55pm
Subject: Re: Next Gen Behmor 1600 Improvements, and other musings.
 

mbrowne999 Said:

I don't know that it would add much cost to allow users to manually control the power setting.  Just that alone would improve the functionality greatly.  I am a satisfied user, but really want more control of the temps.

Posted January 26, 2011 link

You know that Joe reads this stuff, don't you?  I too hope that a new Behmor comes out with more temperature control.  

P2 is not that hard, assuming you do the first batch of that bean using P1 to see when 1C kicks in.  You can open and close the door during P1 to lengthen the duration before P2 comes along.

Then you have your data to get P2 working to your beans' advantage.  It's like ANY machine:  You have to get to know it.

 
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