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Posted Tue Nov 17, 2009, 6:20pm
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How much can you roast at once with your new setup-a pound?  It looks really cool, good job!
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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 6:37am
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I'll let Somegeek respond about his new set up when it is finished but my own bread machine I have been roasting 800 grams of green coffee (about 1 3/4 pounds) and that turns into 660 to 680 grams of finished coffee (about 1/ 1/2 pounds).  I think that 800 grams is pushing my system and very welll might settle on 700 grams.  
I don't want to get SomeGeeks nice thread too far off of course, but will start another thread with bread machine profiles for others to consider.

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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 11:35am
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I'm hoping to do a standard roast to produce 1lb on average since we consume about that in a week.  We'll see... I like Clay's suggestion though when I need to do larger batches.

I did some testing last night with 1/2lb of roasted beans and had to trim down the paddle and use a small piece of music wire for the agitator.  The beans still get moved around quite a bit at that, however with 1lb 4oz of green beans, it should move nicely I think.  I may wire in a dimmer or a Harbor Freight Router Speed Control down the road if needed.

I may need to cut out a thin small cover to sit between the agitator and screws.  Some chunks were catching and getting lodged between the agitator and screw heads(which are flush but still grabbed) and cracking.  May have been the chunks already in the bag of roasted beans however.  Guess I'll find out with my first few roasts.  :)

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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 11:36am
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I needed to create a seal between the primary bowl and heat shield so I used several layers of foil to put this together.

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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 11:38am
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Aluminum seal in place - solid fit.  :)

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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 11:39am
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somegeek Said:

I needed to create a seal between the primary bowl and heat shield so I used several layers of foil to put this together.

Posted November 18, 2009 link

There is some red heat resistant caulk that others have used with success as well.  Just a thought.
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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 3:45pm
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First roasting run is done.  1lb of Sweet Maria's Columbian Microlot Mix.  I had to figure out where to hold the heatgun... as a result, things got off to a slow start.  I didn't get first crack until about 14 minutes and then second just barely started around 20 minutes when I pulled my gun.  Dumped into my colander over a 5-gallon bucket and fired up my shopvac.  Beans are resting now and will go into a jar tonight.

Inset scoop is Peet's Costa Rican(favorite of ours).  Think I could have gone a minute or two longer.

Will look to move operations to our back patio.

Noticed the beans swelled as they roasted too.

Absorbed a lot on this initial run.  Looking forward to grinding this tomorrow morning.

Couple of questions...
Does the oil come out of the bean during the roast or as it rests?
What degree of roast would my first batch be considered?

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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 4:14pm
Subject: Re: Bread Machine Conversion
 

Congrats man!  I actually put that heat gun very close to the beans.  Does your heat gun have a couple of different settings available?  If so, this next batch put it on a higher setting to begin with and then at the beginning of first crack turn it back down to the lower setting which will allow more time between first crack and second which also allows you to stop at your desired point with more room for error.  When you go from first to 2nd crack quickly, you go from city to vienna fast and the distinctions between those many steps is easily lost.

I've only been home roasting for about a year so please don't write any of this in stone and if someone more knowledgable wishes to correct any glarring errors, please feel free.

Here is a link to a nice pictoral guide from Sweet Maria's:  http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.php  Tom says that the profile wasn't good so don't try to replicate the times, notice the temps and the colors.  

When you roast a long time in a smaller batch:  500 grams = 1.1 pounds this is what I did with my machine. The 3 under the date means that it was my 3rd roast with my bread machine:

11-4
3
500 grams turned into 409.5 grams or 82%
53 F Air temps, roasted outside
150 F @ 1 min
210 @ 2
275 @ 3
320 @ 5
Saw steam here
350 @ 6
375 @ 7
412 @ 8
422 1St crack
430 @ 9
435 at 10
467 @ 11
Rolling second crack at 11min 45 seconds stopped roast.

I'm using a two speed Milwaukee heat gun.  I actually prefer to hit the 14 or 15 minute mark and that is why I also roast a little larger batches.  When I went to 700 grams of green I hit this mark, when I go to 800 grams or 1.75 pounds roughly, Now I am up to 17 to 18 minutes with my equipment.

Yes, the volume of the beans goes up but the weight goes down.  All of that mosture that is coming out of those beans is weight.  

On the oil showing.  When you buy beans in the store in those see through containers, most of that oil isn't from roast level but rather age.  Oily beans are older, at least this is what my green bean supplier / comercial roaster shared with me.  When freshly roasted coffee has oil showing at the end of the roast you are at a Vienna roast headed toward french.  I much prefer my coffee not roasted that dark.  When the roast is all oily is it charcoal and just burnt.  Check out the Sweet Maria link earlier in this post.

Sorry so long winded.

Rick
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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009, 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Bread Machine Conversion
 

Clay34 Said:

Congrats man!  I actually put that heat gun very close to the beans.  Does your heat gun have a couple of different settings available?  If so, this next batch put it on a higher setting to begin with and then at the beginning of first crack turn it back down to the lower setting which will allow more time between first crack and second which also allows you to stop at your desired point with more room for error.  When you go from first to 2nd crack quickly, you go from city to vienna fast and the distinctions between those many steps is easily lost.

I've only been home roasting for about a year so please don't write any of this in stone and if someone more knowledgable wishes to correct any glarring errors, please feel free.

Here is a link to a nice pictoral guide from Sweet Maria's:  http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.php  Tom says that the profile wasn't good so don't try to replicate the times, notice the temps and the colors.  

When you roast a long time in a smaller batch:  500 grams = 1.1 pounds this is what I did with my machine. The 3 under the date means that it was my 3rd roast with my bread machine:

11-4
3
500 grams turned into 409.5 grams or 82%
53 F Air temps, roasted outside
150 F @ 1 min
210 @ 2
275 @ 3
320 @ 5
Saw steam here
350 @ 6
375 @ 7
412 @ 8
422 1St crack
430 @ 9
435 at 10
467 @ 11
Rolling second crack at 11min 45 seconds stopped roast.

I'm using a two speed Milwaukee heat gun.  I actually prefer to hit the 14 or 15 minute mark and that is why I also roast a little larger batches.  When I went to 700 grams of green I hit this mark, when I go to 800 grams or 1.75 pounds roughly, Now I am up to 17 to 18 minutes with my equipment.

Yes, the volume of the beans goes up but the weight goes down.  All of that mosture that is coming out of those beans is weight.  

On the oil showing.  When you buy beans in the store in those see through containers, most of that oil isn't from roast level but rather age.  Oily beans are older, at least this is what my green bean supplier / comercial roaster shared with me.  When freshly roasted coffee has oil showing at the end of the roast you are at a Vienna roast headed toward french.  I much prefer my coffee not roasted that dark.  When the roast is all oily is it charcoal and just burnt.  Check out the Sweet Maria link earlier in this post.

Sorry so long winded.

Rick

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Thanks, Rick - great info here and noted.

I'm looking forward to my next roast already!
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Posted Thu Nov 19, 2009, 9:06am
Subject: Re: Bread Machine Conversion
 

If your heat gun does not have multiple settings, hold the heat gun close to the beans until first crack and then between first crack and when you finish hold it farther away from the bean mass and this will be like turning down the heat level.  Good luck and look forward to sharing some info on bread machines and roasting.
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