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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 9:39am
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espressoaddict Said:

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Unless, there is some roaster out there that can perform to a smaller scale, please enlighten us or show us a way to do so.

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While it does seem to be a trollish question in a home roaster's forum, I hope you can now realise that home roasters can indeed perform better, on a smaller scale, to their own needs and palates. If this were not the case, there would be no desire for home roasting, and we would share your opinion. Lastly, please do not refer to us as fueling ignorance...almost all of us have been in your shoes and chose our path, and you have not yet been in ours, so the charge is ridiculous on it's face....glass houses they say. It's never too late to discover what you may be missing, if your mind is open to infinite possibilities...go get yourself a roaster and some greens, and answer your opinions for yourself. :)
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 2:23pm
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in short: in terms of potential, yes a home roaster is a 9 and a commercial is a 10.  in practice, as a home roaster, i always hit a 9, and even my favorite commercial roasters don't always hit a 10, let alone a 9.  similarly, their associated cafés vary b/w 7's and 10's.

the longer version: i've been home roasting for about 2 years, and before that i sampled several different roasters at home for about 6 months or a year (drinking coffee strictly in cafés for 3 years prior).  what i've found over this time period is that occasionally, i roast the exact same bean better than my favorite professional roasters.  however, i do concede that a more expensive roasting machine, a more experienced professional roaster (read as person), and more expensive grinders / brewing machines are potentially better than what i have at home.  however, generally speaking, it is my experience that my home roasted café produces more consistent results than a rotating staff at top notch shop, or even professional roasts ground and brewed at home.

so i have to disagree with the original poster: at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost, i prefer my everyday 9's .  i still enjoy coffee outings -- the community aspect is fun, as is rolling the dice and occasionally getting 10's -- but 99% of what i drink is my stuff prepared by me.  besides, inviting friends / family over can recreate some of the community experience found in a shop.

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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 3:23pm
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harrymanback Said:

in short: in terms of potential, yes a home roaster is a 9 and a commercial is a 10.  in practice, as a home roaster, i always hit a 9, and even my favorite commercial roasters don't always hit a 10, let alone a 9.  similarly, their associated cafés vary b/w 7's and 10's.

the longer version: i've been home roasting for about 2 years, and before that i sampled several different roasters at home for about 6 months or a year (drinking coffee strictly in cafés for 3 years prior).  what i've found over this time period is that occasionally, i roast the exact same bean better than my favorite professional roasters.  however, i do concede that a more expensive roasting machine, a more experienced professional roaster (read as person), and more expensive grinders / brewing machines are potentially better than what i have at home.  however, generally speaking, it is my experience that my home roasted café produces more consistent results than a rotating staff at top notch shop, or even professional roasts ground and brewed at home.
harry.

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Awesome Harry, that's very valuable to hear.  It seems like the Behemor 1600 is one that I will probably get once I get started.  I like the small size and it seems to have all the bells and whistles needed one would expect from a good roaster.  It also fits perfectly and a complement to existing appliances in the kitchen.  Looks like convention or microwave oven, and very modern indeed. The website reports the quality of this machine nearly rivals their commercial one.  However, that could be a marketing tactic.  Listening to what all have to say here is very valuable info for the newbies.
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 3:55pm
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espressoaddict Said:

Awesome Harry, that's very valuable to hear.  It seems like the Behemor 1600 is one that I will probably get once I get started.  I like the small size and it seems to have all the bells and whistles needed one would expect from a good roaster.  It also fits perfectly and a complement to existing appliances in the kitchen.  Looks like convention or microwave oven, and very modern indeed. The website reports the quality of this machine nearly rivals their commercial one.  However, that could be a marketing tactic.  Listening to what all have to say here is very valuable info for the newbies.

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There is plenty to read around here about the Behmor. If you have questions about it that you can't find in the many threads I would think the owner and creator would gladly answer them for you, he is one of the first few people to respond to Behmor questions around here, and other good advice as well.

Seems that this thread has brought you around to the home roast corner, I must admit I didn't think you would swing this way and where really just trolling. I am glad I was wrong!
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 5:56pm
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espressoaddict -

i had the same concern as u.   highly debated if i wanted to spend $$+time on home roasting, and end up frustrated with poorer results than a good commercial roaster.

ended up 'ordering' the Behmor 5 weeks ago for my b-day, and i can tell u i was very surprised at how *easy* and *quick* it was to learn and get great consistent roasts with it with minimal time investment.  i take it to FC+ in my house... barely visible smoke in the last few min of roast.   what took the most time in these weeks is figuring out which of the SweetMaria's offerings i liked best....  but i found for the same bean-type/quantity, the machine is very consistent.   it'll just take me very little time a week now to roast my pound of Ethiopian IMV... and in those 12 min, just in the last part i need to be really close by to listen for 2nd crack and press 'cool' (i'm always in the room).

I think the 'freshness' advantage mentioned in home-roasting isn't really applicable to a lot, since u can easily find internet based roasters that deliver 2-day old roasted coffee.... and still, usually needs to degas another day or so.  BUT, it is cool that i can buy 20lb at a time now & save shipping (and of course green's cheaper), store at home, and roast as needed....  having control over a lot more variables and bean choice/blend is fun & another major advantage, but can do so when free time is available.

i hope if u try it, u'll enjoy and have as much luck!
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Posted Fri Jun 12, 2009, 10:00pm
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I look at the convenience not having to roast beans having an already busy life style.  I'll spend that doing other important things.

So I would guess that you eat all of your meals out and do not cook at home.

 
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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 3:18am
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espressoaddict Said:

Look at Breeze's reply he was able to provide a very good explanation.  

Posted June 12, 2009 link

My comment only made sense in responding to someone interested in home roasting.  As you are not, as evidenced by a later post, I'm now sporting question marks over the whole topic.   Boing!
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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 12:02pm
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MGLloyd Said:

So I would guess that you eat all of your meals out and do not cook at home.

Posted June 12, 2009 link

Guess all you want.  Open a different thread on this question.

MGLloyd Said:

I ride right past Velton Coffee every work day on my way to work in downtown Everett.  He is in the basement of the old Lowell elementary school.  Having roasted my own for about ten years now, I am confidently say that no one roasts to my tastes better than myself.  Perhaps if the OP were to begin home roasting himself, he will be pleasantly surprised by the quality, freshness and cost savings.  But then again, I am one of those people that if I can do something better myself, I am reluctant to pay someone else to do it for me.  I am sure that Velton can roast 25 pound batch quantities quicker than I can, but I am not sure he can produce better coffee than I, who has the luxury of doing this as a hobby, not a business.

Posted June 7, 2009 link

Since Velton sells green beans.  Why not give us your own analysis and see how your roaster will compare with his roast.  Basically, buy some of his roasted beans and then buy the same green beans and roast it on your setup.  Pull some shots using his roasted vs Velton's green beans roasted using your roaster.  Then let us know the results.  That would be great if your roasts are the same, or how knows surprisingly better.
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Posted Sat Jun 13, 2009, 12:23pm
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Breeze Said:

My comment only made sense in responding to someone interested in home roasting.  As you are not, as evidenced by a later post, I'm now sporting question marks over the whole topic.   Boing!

Posted June 13, 2009 link

Explains why some people are not judges.

I found this link provide a more thorough job in describing some limits a home roasting setup vs a commercial setup. However, the home roaster can achieve commercial results with practice and experience.  There is even a book titled Home Coffee Roasting by Davids Kenneth.  Great primer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_roasting_coffee
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Posted Sun Jun 14, 2009, 2:36am
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I've had to delete a couple of silly posts and issue a couple of chills. Please keep things on topic and civil to avoid this interesting thread from being shut down.

Cheers

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