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Manitobanerd
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Posted Sun Apr 13, 2014, 12:39pm
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DavecUK Said:

I'd rather drink instant coffee than Starbucks....I never thought I'd say it, but there it is....my god man, even if they installed Nespresso machines (or Tassimo or similar) for each of their "baristas", it would be a huge improvement in their coffee.

Posted April 13, 2014 link

Thats your personal taste. It obviously differs from mine, because Id take Starbucks, even their French Roast, over Folgers instant coffee any day. I really dont think its that bad (in my personal opinion).
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Posted Sun Apr 13, 2014, 2:22pm
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I agree with you. While SB is not my favorite, their stores are pleasant enough and I can't say I have ever not enjoyed my time spent in one. I don't prefer their roast style, and have had much better coffees sourced elsewhere for espresso, but I would not go so far as to say I have found their products undrinkable (I don't buy milked coffee drinks, generally and I don't buy the sugared tall drinks either). On their worst day, they are certainly better than grocery store instant.  Their espresso is not at the level I have had in some very fine if out-of the-way shops (there is one very good shop--a true gem-- in the town of Huntington, PA, Standing Stone Coffee Co. that comes to mind) or what I make at home but it really isn't all that different IME than coffee I get at Caribou or even Intelligentsia. It is way better than what you will get at the typical Gloria Jean's.
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Posted Sun Apr 13, 2014, 2:36pm
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CHenry Said:

I don't prefer their roast style, and have had much better coffees sourced elsewhere for espresso, but I would not go so far as to say I have found their products undrinkable (I don't buy milked coffee drinks, generally and I don't buy the sugared tall drinks either).

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Their roast style isnt for everyone, especially those looking for light roasts. Im probably not the average coffee drinker around here (it seems to me), because I actually really like dark roasts. Starbucks Italian/French roast is right up my alley, and I will take them over Dunkin/Tim Hortons.

However, *$ is not the freshest, thus why I will probably try and get my hands on a freshly roasted French roast.
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Posted Sun Apr 13, 2014, 3:05pm
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I went to StarSucks about a month ago. I hadn't been to one in ages. I could not believe how bad the coffee they served me was.  If I need a coffee while I'm driving somewhere I now use the GPS to find a local coffee shop. No More SB's for me.
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Posted Sun Apr 13, 2014, 5:52pm
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When comparing Starbucks to specialty roasters, sure theres a lot better out there... However, you can do a lot worse with whats available at the grocery store.
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 3:52am
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I agree.  And for the life of me I wish that people would stop trash talking Starbucks.  I realize it has become a foot in the door to CG for newbies, however God it is getting sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo old.  Give Starbucks credit for opening many many many eyes to better mass produced retail coffee and espresso.

Len

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As a former Starbucks employee, I agree. While its not my coffee of choice, I prefer others (Intelligentsia, Metropolis, etc) They intro'd the culture to a lot. They also take a lot of time to invest in educating both customers and employees alike about the basics of coffee and espresso. In a lot of ways, they have laid the ground work for people who now trash talk them bc Starbucks has become beneath them. :-) Don't hate - it doesn't make one seem any more high brow. Just appreciate your own likes and know they are for you.
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 11:43am
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BurnsBeans Said:

As a former Starbucks employee, I agree. While its not my coffee of choice, I prefer others (Intelligentsia, Metropolis, etc) They intro'd the culture to a lot. They also take a lot of time to invest in educating both customers and employees alike about the basics of coffee and espresso. In a lot of ways, they have laid the ground work for people who now trash talk them bc Starbucks has become beneath them. :-) Don't hate - it doesn't make one seem any more high brow. Just appreciate your own likes and know they are for you.

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Id sort of like it had they paid tax in the UK all those years they were trading....even now they "decided" how much they would begin to pay....and yeah their coffee isn't nice either.
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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:49pm
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DavecUK Said:

Id sort of like it had they paid tax in the UK all those years they were trading....even now they "decided" how much they would begin to pay....and yeah their coffee isn't nice either.

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Finding ways to not pay taxes is not unique to Starbucks.   I'd say that most big corporations get a break or pay hardly any taxes through deals made with the politicians in charge.  Big Corp Boardroom gets to line their pockets with more $$$ and the State gets a big business to hire their citizens.   I live in Connecticut; I recall years ago that one of the States major Insurance companies informed the State that it would move to New York if they did not give them a huge tax break FOR YEARS.  The State gave it to them.   I am pretty sure that the defense contractors in the State have had it done for them too.  

I am not defending the practice.  Corporate welfare p*sses me off.

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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 1:48pm
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Well I just think having made a loss every year whilst trading in the UK is a bit laughable....In my mind, this money they don't pay has come from me and everyone else's pocket, we are the ones who lose and I don't even like or drink their coffee. As far as I am concerned starbucks can $%^ off from the UK and I wouldn't shed a tear. In fact if they are making a loss ever since they came here (as they claim), why do they stay....oh right they must be a charity.
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Posted Tue Apr 22, 2014, 5:08am
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DavecUK Said:

Well I just think having made a loss every year whilst trading in the UK is a bit laughable....In my mind, this money they don't pay has come from me and everyone else's pocket, we are the ones who lose and I don't even like or drink their coffee. As far as I am concerned starbucks can $%^ off from the UK and I wouldn't shed a tear. In fact if they are making a loss ever since they came here (as they claim), why do they stay....oh right they must be a charity.

Posted April 21, 2014 link

You think they are bad you should see General Motors.  A 45 billion dollar tax break while their execs ride high and mighty stuffing their pockets with $$$$:
Click Here (online.wsj.com)

Older article but illustrates the issue.

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