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Skylar
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Posted Sat Nov 30, 2013, 8:50am
Subject: Don't eat it!
 

Fellow goes into a diner sits at the counter and says to the waitress, "Give me the blue plate special, and a kind word."

She returns with a plate of food and puts it before him.

"Where's the kind word?"

"Don't eat the blue plate special." she says.

Today, while waiting for a freshly roasted shipment, I made up a chemex pot and drank it putting aside a cup for the BW. Finishing the cup I found myself concerned with an aftertaste that reminded me of the old days of drinking old bad coffee.

The coffee was the end of a 5 pounder of Redbird which had been fine up to today. This was the final frozen 12 oz. increment which was distributed into my grinders several days ago. I opened one of the grinders and got the unmistakable scent of skunkiness.

Went back to my mail confirmation and found the coffee had been sent to me on October 25.

Told the BW there would be no coffee, cappas etc. until the Monday delivery and proceeded to discard the obviously over-the-hill roast.

Can't fool the natural processes of decay


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Posted Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:32am
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Skylar:

Ha Ha Ha, Don't eat the special!!  Ha Ha!!!

So, looks like you nailed it for a reason to home roast.  Freezing some things for long storage is fine, but roasted coffee seems to be one that doesn't take well to that treatment.  You're spending premium good money for something that is likely at it's peak when it hits your doormat.  The roasting process has set up the flavor profile at the point where everything is pure and undamaged.  Since oils never freeze to a point where they are totally hard frozen and stable in any home freezer, the volatiles in the oil that have developed into the flavor profile can drain or evaporate from the beans over time no matter how well it may be sealed or packaged.

Storing anything in a frost free freezer is even worse because the defrost heaters are designed to warm up light frost to allow it to drain off to the evaporator tray in a continuous daily cycle.  Any food that isn't frozen into a solid mass like a soup or stew, is most susceptible to the freeze-thaw cycles in these freezers.  Coffee beans being small separate particles would be damaged most.  
   
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Skylar
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Posted Sun Dec 1, 2013, 5:53am
Subject: Re: Don't eat it!
 

The coffee was good up to the day of the post, then it really went south in hurry. I stopped by Turnstile coffee in Belmar N. J. for a cappa for the BW and asked the roaster/owner to fix me up with 6 oz of Hairbender to tide me over for the week-end which he did.

Intelly will be coming tomorrow.


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Posted Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:54am
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Skylar Said:

Fellow goes into a diner sits at the counter and says to the waitress, "Give me the blue plate special, and a kind word."

She returns with a plate of food and puts it before him.

"Where's the kind word?"

"Don't eat the blue plate special." she says.

Posted November 30, 2013 link

he he, that's great :D
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Posted Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:17am
Subject: Re: Don't eat it!
 

Well, if you found it not up to standard, you did the right thing.

I find that I can get 6 weeks no problem when frozen in small bags, hidden deep in the freezer. Is it as good as it was when it first gets to the door setp, well no but it is not unacceptable either.

Congrats to those who home roast, I tried it, did OK, and liked the results but when I was honest with myself, I am at a point in life where I would rather pay for quality than to chase it on my own.

Perhaps that did not come out right. Lets try an example with another topic. When I was much younger, I had lots of time and no money. I enjoyed working on and keeping my car in top shape. Today, I have more money and my time is drawn to so many different things that I enjoy doing, I don't have enough time to go around so for some things, even though I  may enjoy doing them, I pay for someone else to do the work thus giving me more time to do what I may enjoy even more :D

That is how I see home roasting. I use 5 pounds of roasted beans in about 3.5 to 4 weeks. Unless I build a 5 pound roaster, I don't have enough time to do it, esp when most roasters in the home are less than a pound which would mean that I need to roast from 5 to 10 times a month with the equipment that is out there, even more with things that only roast a cup at a time!

If roasting is something you enjoy, by ALL MEANS do it!!!! Some of the best coffee I have had is from home roasters (thanks to a forum member who has been to my home twice! GREAT COFFEE, thanks!) but the flip side of things is, if I can buy quality roasted from a quality roaster and freeze while staying fresh, that is MY personal way to go!

Enjoy out there :D

 
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