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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 6:47am
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Article here on caffeine intake.

 
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 9:55am
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don't worry Ian,
by the time they get serious about it, the only people able to afford the dwindling coffee natural resource will be the financial elite and us poor'uns will have to deal with 3d printed analogs of pure caffeine.  THEN the Federal government will finally come up with regulations making said caffeine a controlled substance - on the same tier as hydrocodone - and the only people who will be able to use it will be those whose doctors have writ medical beneficial basis for it's ingestion.  Needless to say, the children, the ones who are factually at risk today, because caffeine is the adult go to drug of choice... will continue to be catered to by companies making other compounds which will do the same thing but not have the dread word caffeine upon their required and regulated packaging labels.  In the mean time, I project changes in law required to see all this come about will also influence the American economy in depth and ways not even hinted at by earlier drug "growth industries" of privatized incarceration facilities and related employment fields.

Ok, you outed a 'signs of the times article' in true moderator form; and left it for someone to posit a position: let the games begin!
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Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 4:22pm
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MerleApAmber Said:

don't worry Ian,
by the time they get serious about it, the only people able to afford the dwindling coffee natural resource will be the financial elite and us poor'uns will have to deal with 3d printed analogs of pure caffeine.  THEN the Federal government will finally come up with regulations making said caffeine a controlled substance - on the same tier as hydrocodone - and the only people who will be able to use it will be those whose doctors have writ medical beneficial basis for it's ingestion.  Needless to say, the children, the ones who are factually at risk today, because caffeine is the adult go to drug of choice... will continue to be catered to by companies making other compounds which will do the same thing but not have the dread word caffeine upon their required and regulated packaging labels.  In the mean time, I project changes in law required to see all this come about will also influence the American economy in depth and ways not even hinted at by earlier drug "growth industries" of privatized incarceration facilities and related employment fields.

Ok, you outed a 'signs of the times article' in true moderator form; and left it for someone to posit a position: let the games begin!

Posted May 23, 2013 link

+1.   And if you really want to kill the economy take away the caffeine!  Let's not give the bozos in D.C. the idea, some numbnut will run with it.  

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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 4:03am
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MerleApAmber Said:

Needless to say, the children, the ones who are factually at risk today, because caffeine is the adult go to drug of choice.

Posted May 23, 2013 link

Actually, caffeine metabolism is quite the same in children and adults. Italians like to serve their children Latte macchiato, for example. Whether or nor you want to serve your already overexited children stimulating drinks is another debate. :-J

The medical facts on caffeine are as follows:

If you drink high quantaties of coffee over a period of 6 to 15 days, you might develop a tolerance towards caffeine. This is because caffeine interacts with the adenosine receptors in your body, which are located in the cell membrane and up-regulated, when stimulated continuously, i.e. the cell produces more receptors than usual, so that it requires a higher dose of stimulants to activate them.

There can be a physical and psychological addiction. Stop drinking coffee in a situation like that might lead to withdrawal symptoms like headache, drowsiness, depression, lack of concentration, discontentment, lack of energy or slight nausea, which are usually only short-lived. The signs usually start about 12 to 24 hours after last consumption, are most severe for one or two days and pass completely after two to nine days. Since coffee is a legal drug and freely available, that's not really a problem. There's no danger to your health, when consumed responsibly, which does include even five cups per day. The notion that coffee is bad for your health has been outdated for quite a while, but it's a folklore that still lingers in lot's of people's heads, even some physicians.

An overdose of caffeine (more than 1 g taken at once, which equals at least five cups of drip coffee or five double shots of espresso or 10 liters of cola or about 12 cans of energy drinks) can lead to signs of excitement like tachycardia and extrasystoles, raised blood pressure, sleeplessness, agitation, headache, and diarrhea, depending on the dose. A severe intoxication might even cause a syncope. For an otherwise healthy human being, the lethal dose for caffeine is about 10 g, again taken at once.

 
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 10:16am
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gah, poor kids... I mean seriously; I haven't found a robusta I like yet... even blended.  
(Mayhap I need a more formal education.... on the other hand.... ;-) )

Norbert,

I think the point is, people here in the states are seeing children dropping quantities at or about 1 gram over a short period of time, causing tachycardia, and showing up statistically significant at our immediate care and crisis care facilities. This is why news agencies are remarking the discussion of coffee, caffeine, and other caffeine delivery vehicles.  Us elder idiots who are of majority, adult, or otherwise considered mature, are reviewing the dialog with an eye toward personal best practices / informed choice, and impact upon the health of our children.  Having said that, as a child, no one told me I couldn't drink coffee when I demonstrated a taste for it - though it didn't take me long to discover how much was enough, for me. In my case it appears I didn't have parents who were functionally addicted to the point of self harm. Thus I too did not abuse the caffeine delivery device as it was available to me. Today,  a sweet and engineered flavored drink can hide a whole lotta biochemically active agents. Add remarkable marketing skills targeting people who know better; as well as children who are exposed peripherally... it becomes a quandary of social health significance.
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Posted Sat May 25, 2013, 8:23pm
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Well said, well said.

Have you actually read the labels of some of those energy drinks? Bloody scary stuff.

 
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Posted Mon May 27, 2013, 10:50pm
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MerleApAmber Said:

... I think the point is, people here in the states are seeing children dropping quantities at or about 1 gram over a short period of time, causing tachycardia, and showing up statistically significant at our immediate care and crisis care facilities ...

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What on earth do they drop? A bucket full of espresso?

"Gimme an Iced Caramel Macchiato with an extra espresso shot, venti. You know what? Forget the milk, just espresso to the rim."

 
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Posted Tue May 28, 2013, 1:27pm
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Consumer Reports: The buzz on energy drink caffeine Click Here (www.consumerreports.org)
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Posted Tue May 28, 2013, 10:50pm
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I see. So with some energy drinks you only need about four cans to come close to 1 g of caffeine. In Germany the highest caffeine concentration of available energy drinks is 33 mg per 100 ml (= 3.38 oz). So there's not much danger there.

 
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Posted Wed May 29, 2013, 2:50am
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not really a fan of energy drinks so not sure what is the kick that it would give you. but my coffee intake is usually 1-2 cups and its doing me good.

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