matt52687 Junior Member Joined: 5 Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Location: Oklahoma Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009, 8:23pm Subject: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
hello all, Im very new to the whole coffee afficionado thing... Im thinking about trying some kopi luwak soon... Is the website realkopiluwak.com a good site that sells the authentic product? Also, I have a nice drip machine, and I buy whole bean dunkin donuts coffee from the store, and keep it at room temp in an airtight container and only grind as much as i need to brew right then. From what I have been reading, it sounds like what im drinking is completely crappy... Is this true???? Is everything completely stale and crappy at the supermarket no matter what?
matt52687 Junior Member Joined: 5 Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Location: Oklahoma Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009, 8:37pm Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
Why would you say skip the kopi?? all hype? my dad likes to drink coffee alot, and he would be the one paying for the little weight of the kopi, so I dont mind...Just need to know if this site is reputable. and what your guys opinion on the DD coffee is... Thanks for the links ill check them out right now
Because according to professional tasters, Kopi Luwak is not a good coffee (it just doesn't taste good) PLUS it's terrribly high priced PLUS many sources are cruel to the animals in trying to produce more product.
A better question is WHY do you want to drink it? You do realize of course that the Kopi is taken from the excrement of a civet (small cat-like animal)?
If you're looking for something expensive and exclusive, then why not buy a truly high quality coffee expertly roasted by one of the better roasters? Check out Counter Culture, Paradise, Stumptown, and Ecco Cafe to name a few....they all sell extraordinary coffees roasted with care by expert craftspeople. Seek out the auction lots and microlots and highly-rated coffees (I mean rated by someone like Ken David's Coffee review)...
Here are some extremely good coffees to try that leave Kopi FAR behind on the quality and taste scale:
And if you want some $100+ per pound coffee that is truly a unique experience try Panama Esmerelda Geisha, it has set the record at auction for the most expensive coffee in the world (three years in a row)
Basically, why would anyone drink $hyte product when you can have the finest coffee on the planet?
DD is commercial crap, especially compared to the offerings from the artisan roasters. And all grocery store coffee is OLD and stale and dried out (unless the store has a roaster in house - and then it may be fresh but chances are the roasts are NOT crafted but roasted as fast as possible to reduce cost) and the beans may not be very high quality
If you want the BEST - go with the real deal. Buy from artisans who do direct trade with the growers.
Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009, 3:59am Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
And one more VERY implortant thing: No matter how you brew you need a good grinder if you want to really TASTE the coffee. Take a word of advice and go get one for your drip and french press brewing, it's a truly sound investment
I'm not sure what you use for brewing, but most drip brewers use thermoblock "boilers" to heat the water and so they do not brew at a good temperature and will ruin your expensive coffees. Technivorm, Bunn and Newco brewers brew at the right temperature, or you could get an inexpensive French Press or a Melitta pourover cone brewer if you want the most from your coffees
matt52687 Junior Member Joined: 5 Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Location: Oklahoma Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009, 8:01am Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
cool. thanks jon for the replies.. sadly i can only drink the commercial crap at the moment. unemployed 22 year old here. yeah I know where the kopi comes from and how its made. Thats the reason I want to try it, I want to see how that changes the flavor.
Breeze Senior Member Joined: 3 Dec 2006 Posts: 556 Location: St. Croix, V.I. Expertise: Pro Roaster
Espresso: Pasquini Livia S Grinder: Mazzer Mini/Rocky Drip: TechniVorm/Krups MB Roaster: Toper 1 kilo
Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009, 5:53am Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
JonR10 Said:
Because according to professional tasters, Kopi Luwak is not a good coffee (it just doesn't taste good) PLUS it's terrribly high priced PLUS many sources are cruel to the animals in trying to produce more product.
Zin1953 Senior Member Joined: 9 Dec 2005 Posts: 1,695 Location: Berkeley, CA Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -... Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -... Vac Pot: no, Press Pot Drip: Chemex Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009, 11:58am Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
Chiming in late, but . . .
Let me first welcome you, Matthew, to CG. And now to the point(s) at hand . . .
matt52687 Said:
hello all, Im very new to the whole coffee afficionado thing... Im thinking about trying some kopi luwak soon... Is the website realkopiluwak.com a good site that sells the authentic product?
Even if it were a "good" site selling "authentic" product -- I have no idea/experience with the site personally, and am not passing judgement -- let me echo what's been asked already: why do you want to try it?
matt52687 Said:
yeah I know where the kopi comes from and how its made. Thats the reason I want to try it, I want to see how that changes the flavor.
OK, so -- let's recap, shall we Matt? You know where it comes from, you know how it's made and -- presumably having looked at the website -- you know it's $159 for 8.8 ounces not including "shipping service and possible custom taxes." And yet . . .
. . . you're seriously thinking of spending HOW MUCH money of coffee beans???
OK, moving right along . . .
matt52687 Said:
Also, I have a nice drip machine, and I buy whole bean dunkin donuts coffee from the store, and keep it at room temp in an airtight container and only grind as much as i need to brew right then. From what I have been reading, it sounds like what im drinking is completely crappy... Is this true???? Is everything completely stale and crappy at the supermarket no matter what?
Yes, it's true. Everything is stale and crappy at a supermarket. But, despite the fact you -- even if only for a brief moment -- you considered acquiring some coffee that retails for over $300 a pound . . .
matt52687 Said:
sadly i can only drink the commercial crap at the moment. unemployed 22 year old here.
. . . you cannot/will not consider spending $12-15 a pound for seriously excellent coffee from a top quality micro-roaster, but stick with cheap, stale beans from Dunkin' Donuts poorly stored both before and after the sale.
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Matt, if I seem overly harsh right now, I apologize. It's because I probably am being overly harsh -- but good coffee does NOT need to be expensive. It's easy to do, even for a 22-year old unemployed student from Oklahoma. Coffee is one of the last great affordable luxuries . . . Listen to JonR: he's given you some solid advice. You can easily make great coffee; just spend your money wisely.
matt52687 Junior Member Joined: 5 Nov 2009 Posts: 4 Location: Oklahoma Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009, 7:20pm Subject: Re: newbie to the forum.. couple questions
well, in one of my posts above, i clearly stated that I was not the one paying for the coffee, my dad was the one who was wanting to purchase the beans. But your alright, it wasn't too harsh ill live. Ill take your guys advice and say screw the hypebeast kopi luwak. I bought a pretty decent french press today.... Still have one of those blade grinders and the "terrible" dunkin donuts whole beans. tried some, and its not too bad coming out of the french press. But then again, I have been drinking it out of a drip machine before. Im wanting to get into this coffee scene, What is the cheapest burr grinder you guys know of, that is still acceptable as a decent grinder? im thinking about trying some kona coffee..... Any suggestions on some roasted beans from a site that are not going to break the bank for me or my father? Thanks again guys.
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