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esteban
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Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 3:57pm
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Ok, this may seem weird.  One of my co-workers swears he heard the best, most expensive, coffee in the world comes from bats eating the seed, which are then "harvested" and  processed.  Any feed back would be appreciated.   thanks,  Esteban
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Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 4:37pm
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A coffee called Kopi Luwak, from Sumatra, is made from the beans found in Luwak droppings, a civet family member that's fond of coffee cherries, and which digests the cherry fruit, but can't digest the beans (coffee cherry seed).

The coffee costs around $50 a pound green, and may be the most expensive coffee on earth. Unfortunately, the Luwak doesn't discriminate between ripe and unripe cherries, or between the inferior Robusta cherries and the better Arabica ones. So until they can find some more discriminating Luwaks, you're probably better off buying high grade Sumatran beans processed one of the more conventional ways.

 
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Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 5:12pm
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In our Coffee House magazine last month (www.coffee-house.org.uk) I reported having met some farmers in India who took me into the forest to show how they found beans which had been digested by monkeys and... well, naturally expelled.  They did indeed collect these beans to make small quantities of coffee.

They told me of serving some to an American tourist who drank it happily before being told what it was. He exploded: 'you mean I just drank something which came out of a monkey's ass?'

The farmer replied: 'I noticed you didn't complain about where I got the egg I served you at breakfast...' !

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Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 5:56pm
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ianb Said:

In our Coffee House magazine last month (www.coffee-house.org.uk) I reported having met some farmers in India who took me into the forest to show how they found beans which had been digested by monkeys and... well, naturally expelled.  They did indeed collect these beans to make small quantities of coffee.

They told me of serving some to an American tourist who drank it happily before being told what it was. He exploded: 'you mean I just drank something which came out of a monkey's ass?'

The farmer replied: 'I noticed you didn't complain about where I got the egg I served you at breakfast...' !

- Ian B

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:)

I like your mag, hope it succeeds

 
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Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004, 11:45am
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this whole thing with beans being excreted is really gross. Is their any way that this is sanitary? Is their any way to prove that this bean processing, through the GI tract and excrement of a civet, actually improves the flavor?
Who wants that flavor?
This has to be bullshit, no pun intended.

 
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Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004, 11:57am
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alanmushnick Said:

this whole thing with beans being excreted is really gross. Is their any way that this is sanitary? Is their any way to prove that this bean processing, through the GI tract and excrement of a civet, actually improves the flavor?
Who wants that flavor?
This has to be bullshit, no pun intended.

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Well, after its processed, they have to clean it.  Then it's roasted to about 450 degrees.  I dont know of any bacteria that live at that high a temperature.
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Posted Mon Jul 26, 2004, 12:42pm
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without wishing to be a smartarse (couldn't resist the pun given the topic)

I thought the Kopi Luwak was a fussy eater and actually did select the choicest and best cherries - also I thought one of the reasons the "processed" output tastes so good is that the civet's other dietary intake is tree sap which ferments in its stomach along with the cherries to produce a positive marinading effect on the bean ...

also I wouldn't be too "sniffy" about this - there are lots of indigenous practices/common sense practices that are later found to have practical advantages lying behind them e.g. Fish has been known as a "brainy" food for centuries before nutritional science has since backed the belief up, plus people commonly eat animal waste-processing organs like kidneys, livers, and don't start me on what they put in sausages ...

all the very best,

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Posted Fri Jul 30, 2004, 5:31am
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just for info,

came across this informative article about our discussion ...


http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040726/full/040726-5.html

Best wishes,

Paul.
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