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Posted Sat May 21, 2011, 10:27am
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We'll see, I'm interested definitely... Want real world usage
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Posted Sun May 22, 2011, 1:04am
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IMAWriter Said:

No triple basket option might be a problem for some of the more serious triple restretto lovers, but hopefully will not discourage those who find a 16-18 gram dose sufficient for 1.5/2oz shot.

Posted May 19, 2011 link

60mm Hole saw + Stock PF + VST = Triple ristretto =D

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Posted Sun May 22, 2011, 3:13am
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I'm doing some edits to the article. Some are clarifications, some additions, some corrections:

Corrected: Boiler sizes and wattages

Brew boiler 300ml 600W
Steam boiler 950ml 1000W
Group Head 100W, although the Aus is a 200W element, we're only pushing 100W through it.

The controller on the steam boiler is a thermister, not a thermostat.

Store Shelf Date for Australia is pushed back to July for now (TBA).
Store Shelf Date for US is in August (TBA)

Cup Warming Tray is painted cast aluminum, not plastic or a high tech plastic composite material.

Clarification:
The portafilter WILL work with some triple baskets, including the LM and some Synesso variants. The VST 21/22g also fits in, but literally just barely. Since I believe there needs to be a few mm clearance between the bottom of the basket and the portafilter (for no drag or blocking of the liquid flow), I've amended this to say "some triples will fit, others are too tight". Triples will fit if you leave the black nylon insert in place in the portafilter.

Additions:

Warranty information for Australia
Details on torture testing that Breville did for this product.

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Posted Sun May 22, 2011, 9:40am
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Brilliant design! Well thought out and innovative.

I always said it was just a matter of time.  Serves the Italian companies right for sitting on their butts feeding us 1960's technology for the last 20 years. Reminds me of when the GM thought Honda was just a joke in the 80s.

Am I ever glad I didn't buy that GS/3 !
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Posted Sun May 22, 2011, 10:02am
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Endo Said:

Brilliant design! Well thought out and innovative.

I always said it was just a matter of time.  Serves the Italian companies right for sitting on their butts feeding us 1960's technology for the last 20 years. Reminds me of when the GM thought Honda was just a joke in the 80s.

Am I ever glad I didn't buy that GS/3 !

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To be FAIR, until we know the steaming ability, shot consistency, and durability of this intriguing machine, to totally dismiss the GS3 is perhaps a bit hasty.
I trust Mark's opinions implicitly, but will withhold a final judgement till he has a true production model and can really run it through it's paces, something that can take several months, I believe?
However, at a price point basically 1/3 that of the GS3, the Breville MUST be taken seriously.

 
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Posted Mon May 23, 2011, 10:31am
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This seems like a really interesting and exciting machine, especially if it is sold for $1,300 or so in the US.  I like the idea of a PID controlled group (should make flushing unecessary), fully adjustable preinfusion (both for time and pressure), adjustable dosing, very nice controls and layout, and lots of thoughtful features like power cord storage and even a lighted water tank.  It just seems like a very carefully thought out machine.  

I didn't see anything about adjusting brew pressure.  Is that set through the main computer menu, or do you have to adjust the OPV inside the machine like on most other vibe pump machines?  Seems like it should be controllable through the front panel like preinfusion and dosing.  

I do have some concerns about longevity and user servicablity, especially since Breville does not have a great reputation when it comes to customer service.  There seems to be a lot of stuff to go wrong in the machine, and it would be a shame to spend $1,300 and then have to throw it away and get a new machine in a few years.  But I'm encouraged by the fact that the machine has been torture tested and has a relatively long warranty.  With any luck, they will back up their warranty with excellent customer service.

It seems to me that this machine may not be a GS/3 killer given the fact that it only has 1C temp adjustability, versus the much finer adjustability of the GS/3.  But it may be a Vivaldi/Izzo Alex Duetto/VBM Double Domo killer if the quality and reliability is good.  It's hard to justify spending upwards of $2,000 on a double boiler machine when you can get the same or better results with a machine that costs $1,300.  Of course, some people will want the glamor of a real Italian machine, and others will want the assurance that a dealer like Chris or Jim is there to help with any problems, but I suspect many will opt for the cheaper and more high tech solution.
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Posted Tue May 31, 2011, 3:20am
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Hey Mark,

Got a question regarding the Pre-infusion, you said in the article that we can have 60% power for pre-infusion if you want to. Does it mean that the BDB (Breville Dual Boiler) can do presure profiling as well? Can we set the first 3s at 20% the other 3s at 60% for the pre-infusion?
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Posted Tue May 31, 2011, 5:54am
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MarkPrince Said:

The controller on the steam boiler is a thermister, not a thermostat.

Posted May 22, 2011 link

I found it interesting all the way up to this point.  No anti-Breville snobbery.
But I have to say even though it's on the steam boiler, they should be using a thermocouple at minimum.  The increased accuracy of a thermocouple far outweighs the (perhaps negligible) additional cost over a thermistor.  Thus I see that as a petty cost-saving measure, and an indicator that there will be others (such as non-upgradable firmware).  Although vastly different from others in it's price range, this is still a $1200-$1300 machine.
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Posted Wed Jun 1, 2011, 6:51pm
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Thanks for the initial review.  The machine was launched in a very cool coffee venue so Breville really are thinking hard and putting serious money into this machine.
interesting point that this machine was launched in aussie on the 18th June. Some stores here in Australia are taking pre orders for the July customer sale date I was told. $1498 australian.   Strange it is dearer than in america when it is designed and launched here, but our market is always more expensive for espresso machines and most other appliances.  Seing as our dollar is about $1.06 to the US it should be $1200 launch price.   America will get a $1300 launch price.
Your review is excellent of the machine. Agree on everything. Breville have a pretty good consumer reputation here. and again the review is right, no house in australia has drip filter machines in their kitchens, only espresso machines. I dont think the major stores even sell drip coffee machines. Starbucks had them here in their 90 stores, but the chain failed and now only 6 stores remain. Starbucks comments were that aussies like stronger coffee than their normal customer, and while this may be so I think it is more a case of there are so many coffee shops and espresso has been around for a long long time with all our migrant immigration. especially from italy.  Melbourne and Sydney has thousands of coffee shops and barista competitions and various contests seem to be all the rage.
McDonalds even is launching this Sunday a big ad campaign costing millions in australia that it will stop serving crap coffee and employ baristas. No I am not kidding.  I can send a link if its needed.
I think the machine will sell well, most people want a solid machine in their kitchen that will not break and Breville pretty much have that reputation.  It may not be for geeks, but for the average user I think its a great machine. Long term if you use a credit card and get double warranty it gives us in australia four years back up. You cant beat that. No espresso machine in the world has it, and it would encourage me to recommend it to friends for this reason alone.

Anyway in aussie the machine is called the Breville BES900             and has a RRP of $1,500.

thanks again for the review.  I think the american model number is different due to the 110volts and different power needs.




Click Here (www.tested.com)    not sure if i can link this as it from another site, but it is a good demo video from the guys behind the machine. delete it if needed.
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Posted Thu Jun 2, 2011, 12:29pm
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Was gutted to be told by Breville UK that this machine will not be launching here.  Which is what I expected: Breville in the UK is a junk brand - disposable, plastic, garishly designed rubbish which one discards after six to twelve months, because it has broken down and is too cheap to be repaired.  

I'm gutted: if this machine is as good as it promises to be, it hits this particular coffee geek's sweet spot: high-end features, but not intimidating for my wife (who is terrified of the Silvia, never mind the Izzo Alex Duetto I'd had in mind...).

Typical - but Britain is the country of freeze-dried junk and Nespresso; I shouldn't have expected anything else :-(
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