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Enkerli
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Posted Sun Aug 1, 2004, 1:06pm
Subject: Other Drink Terms?
 

Maybe there should be a separate glossary or even an in-depth piece on drink terms. IMHO, it gets especially tricky with all the coffee drinks with frothed milk. Even latte and cappuccino aren't that easy in some places. There doesn't seem to be a general standard and you may get customer expecting something and getting something else. Of course, in bilingual French/English contexts, "au lait" can be quite confusing as most French-speakers would still expect it to be espresso-based (and similar to a latte) while English-speakers might either think it's drip-based or involves two separate cups with espresso and frothed milk.

Other terms I'd personally like more info on include (Swiss) "renversé," (Viennese) "mélange," and (Parisian) "café crème." All are rather similar to an American "latte" but they're somewhat different. Or, at least, are perceived as different by locals. Surprisingly enough, Google doesn't return anything very insightful with some of these terms.

And no, the definition of "cafè crème" in this glossary doesn't correspond to the "café crème" in French songs about Saint-Germain-des-prés.
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Posted Sun Aug 1, 2004, 5:17pm
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about au laits.... please please please put in the phonetics, i hate people saying "aww late"  instead of "oh lay"
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Posted Sun Aug 1, 2004, 7:39pm
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Drumlin72 Said:

This is GRRRRRRREEEAAAT!  (think Tony the Tiger)

Maybe when you finish with it it could be published as a book and sold with proceeds going to CoffeeKids

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To be honest, if I ever do a book, I think I'll keep the proceeds myself :) I do a lot for CK, and want to do even more, but a book? Damn, there's a limit even to my generosity :) :)

BTW, the article I wrote for this year's Coffee Almanac by Fresh Cup? I'm donating the proceeds from that (incl. the photo payment) to CoffeeKids.

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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 7:27am
Subject: "Au lait" Pronunciation
 

In French, it's somewhat like "oh leh" with the "eh" being like the 'e' in "bet" but some French people don't distinguish between "ay" and "eh"...
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 9:30am
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I can imagine the French and Italians laughing at us pronouching their terms :-D

By the way, any Italian on CG would like to tell us how to pronounce "Ristretto"? Different people tend to pronounce it differently.  Also, I also noticed that there are a lot of pictures attached to postings, but haven't come across a "wav" (sound) file. Maybe this is a good starting point ;)
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 10:36am
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Enkerli Said:

In French, it's somewhat like "oh leh" with the "eh" being like the 'e' in "bet" but some French people don't distinguish between "ay" and "eh"...

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Thats the canadian french pronunciation.  In french french, it's eyyyy (like fonzie)
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 12:08pm
Subject: Re: "Au lait" Pronunciation
 

This page has a link to a wav file that answers the question.

Click Here (french.about.com)

Click on "lait" in the second line of sounds.

Much more leh than lay, and short rather than drawn out.

If you actually pronounced it that way in an American coffee shop I'm not sure you would be understood.  "O lay" is probably the most effective Americanized approximation.
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 12:17pm
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cafedj Said:

This page has a link to a wav file that answers the question.

Click Here (french.about.com)

Click on "lait" in the second line of sounds.

Much more leh than lay, and short rather than drawn out.

If you actually pronounced it that way in an American coffee shop I'm not sure you would be understood.  "O lay" is probably the most effective Americanized approximation.

Posted August 2, 2004 link

It sounds like "lay" to me.  Oh well, any way that doesn't pronounce the T in it is good with me.
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 12:40pm
Subject: Re: "Au lait" Pronunciation
 

cafedj Said:

Much more leh than lay, and short rather than drawn out.

If you actually pronounced it that way in an American coffee shop I'm not sure you would be understood.  "O lay" is probably the most effective Americanized approximation.

Posted August 2, 2004 link

Thanks for the link. And this one's really standard French (supposedly from Touraine) as opposed to some regions of France (including Paris) where some people will pronounce "les" and "lait" the same way (somewhat similar to English "lay," though usually shorter).
And you're right, "Oh lay" is the way most English-speakers pronounce it and there's no confusion on this. Even if you were to say "olette," people would eventually understand, though they may smile when you say it.
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Posted Mon Aug 2, 2004, 10:55pm
Subject: Re: An Espresso Glossary by Mark Prince
 

Great glossary.  I agree with the those who would like to see an exhaustive (and dynamically updated) glossary.  I believe that it's especially important to include cutting edge terminology, for the simple fact that there are many newbies (and even moderate cg's) who don't understand these terms.  Also, as a minor point, you've included the definitions of a "pressurized filter" and a "pressurized portafilter".  Hate to rain on your day, but these are pretty much redundant definitions.

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