It seems that you are again jumping to conclusions that are not directly supported. I never said WHY it was that I stopped using the straight-sided triple....so why would one assume it had to do with the sides being straight?
The Synesso ridgeless double baskets suited my dosing preference and process
TheMadTamper Said:
Once I start using the VSTs I may refrain from removing the basket when dosing. I may get 6 or so identical baskets (so I don't have to re-zero the scale)
Wouldn't it be easier to modify a PF spring? I used a regular pliers to slightly smooth out the bends such that the spring protudes from the groove less. I did it a little at a time until I got a proper feel when siplling the basket in.
As a note, have you weighed other baskets against each other? My Synesso doubles have quite a bit of variance in weight but these new VST baskets seem to be consistent
Posted Wed Jun 1, 2011, 1:42pm Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
JonR10 Said:
It seems that you are again jumping to conclusions that are not directly supported. I never said WHY it was that I stopped using the straight-sided triple....so why would one assume it had to do with the sides being straight?
The Synesso ridgeless double baskets suited my dosing preference and process
Apologies, I thought from your wording that you were saying that you didn't use straight sided triples on purpose, not that it was a coincidence.
Wouldn't it be easier to modify a PF spring? I used a regular pliers to slightly smooth out the bends such that the spring protudes from the groove less. I did it a little at a time until I got a proper feel when siplling the basket in.
I'd already thought of doing that and examined my PF springs (and I'd replied to your first post before reading your update about your modified springs) so I may well do that. Though I may actually fare better (sort of forcing myself toward the single dose regimen I should be doing anyway rather than trying to "cheat" and grinding in advance) if I just get multiple baskets.
As a note, have you weighed other baskets against each other? My Synesso doubles have quite a bit of variance in weight but these new VST baskets seem to be consistent
My EPNW baskets are spot on within .1g, but my LMs are grossly different (in more ways than one.) I haven't compared my other more generic Faema baskets.
Apologies - but I do not understand how you got this. Have I somehow indicated that my basket selection is a coincidence? Maybe it's just a language problem and I don't understand your interpretations of my posts.
Looking back at my post:
JonR10 Said:
I haven't used straight-sided triple baskets (or even Synesso triples) in a very long time (years?).
Meaning that I stopped using triple baskets, independant of having straight sides or not.
This was a shift that occured after I started gravitating to lower doses. As far as my understanding of the word, it was not a coincidence.
You may still mock me for my dosing preferences, but 20g was the intentional result of a general reduction in dose. I also experimented with doses starting as low as 12g in a double basket and I finally settled on 20g because my process worked at 20g producing a very consistent dose within 0.1g every time even without weighing.
I went to a much finer grind to use a lower dose with these VST baskets....so I now weigh each dose individually.
LOL, not to play semantics Jon, but in reading your quote above, it's easy to take away you were referring to "straight sided" triples, hence MT's question. I know Synesso triples are curved bottoms, but the phrasing seems to show that's an afterthought to the comment.
Anyway, apologies for the semantics play. I can just see where Mad Tamper got confused. I thought you were referring to straight sided triples only too!
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2011, 12:53am Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
MarkPrince Said:
Anyway, apologies for the semantics play. I can just see where Mad Tamper got confused. I thought you were referring to straight sided triples only too!
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2011, 7:08am Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
MarkPrince Said:
LOL, not to play semantics Jon, but in reading your quote above, it's easy to take away you were referring to "straight sided" triples, hence MT's question. I know Synesso triples are curved bottoms, but the phrasing seems to show that's an afterthought to the comment.
Anyway, apologies for the semantics play. I can just see where Mad Tamper got confused. I thought you were referring to straight sided triples only too!
Both of my comments (the original, and "coincidence") were referring to the choice to not use STRAIGHT SIDED baskets. At first I thought, as Mark said, that you were specifically not using straight sided triples (and coincidentally were also not using Synesso triples.) Then with your correction I thought you were correcting it to say that you were not using triples at all, and it was coincidental that the situation included the exclusion of straight sided ones...along with all other triples. I think we're now all on the same page that "you don't use triples" which has nothing at all to do with the graduation incline of the basket walls.... :)
JonR10 Said:
You may still mock me for my dosing preferences, but 20g was the intentional result of a general reduction in dose. I also experimented with doses starting as low as 12g in a double basket and I finally settled on 20g because my process worked at 20g producing a very consistent dose within 0.1g every time even without weighing.
I went to a much finer grind to use a lower dose with these VST baskets....so I now weigh each dose individually.
It's not a mockery of your dosing....there's nothing right or wrong about dose selection. You just happen to be the formerly highest, now second highest (someone was dosing 27g on a DeLonghi recently, but reduced to some lower amount after recommendations to do so based on it not producing great shots...) doser I've encountered here. It makes for something of a point of interest. Individual tastes are individual, but your normale is more in line with a common ristretto, I'd guess :) 20g isn't so unusual, but I do recall your 22g+ in a double basket conversation a while back. My larger amazement though isn't so much your dose, but how you can ever have managed to pack it in such a way that doesn't scrape (smash?) it into the screen. I manage to get screen contact on most machines with most baskets well below 20-22g! Others that dose in that range seem to use triples...that's the part I find more amazing.
With your new dosing in the VST baskets though you're back into wholly average (in the U.S. anyway) dosing....likely the same doses I'll be using in fact.
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2011, 8:09am Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
TheMadTamper Said:
I think we're now all on the same page that "you don't use triples" which has nothing at all to do with the graduation incline of the basket walls.... :)
As Tim pointed out, I hadn't indicated extraction ratio. For completeness I will say that weighed output from my 20g dose was generally 30g to 35g, so my "normal" shot ranged from thicker normale to thinner ristretto.
TheMadTamper Said:
My larger amazement though isn't so much your dose, but how you can ever have managed to pack it in such a way that doesn't scrape (smash?) it into the screen.
The LaMarzocco screen is flat and seems like it doesn't protude down as far as the E61 screen, allowing for larger doses. On my new machine (E61) I max out at 21g into the VST 18g basket and lock in cleanly.
You probably saw this already, but in case not - here is a link into our discussion on dosing for the 18g VST basket
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Posted Fri Jun 3, 2011, 8:59am Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
JonR10 Said:
The LaMarzocco screen is flat and seems like it doesn't protude down as far as the E61 screen, allowing for larger doses. On my new machine (E61) I max out at 21g into the VST 18g basket and lock in cleanly.
I am sure its off topic and different thread starter but I for one would love to get your thoughts / comparisons regarding your recent change from LM group to the E61 group. If and when you have the time and are ready.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
Posted Fri Jun 3, 2011, 11:13am Subject: Re: Can These Filters Change the World of Espresso? by Mark Prince
jwoodyu Said:
I am sure its off topic and different thread starter but I for one would love to get your thoughts / comparisons regarding your recent change from LM group to the E61 group. If and when you have the time and are ready.
Hi John, Thanks for asking....and it is an interesting conversation to discuss the trade-offs of the two designs. I did post some initial thoughts HERE in he BST thread from the GS3 sale.
I would like to engage in a thread about the relative merits of different group designs....maybe someone will start one up :-)
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