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Posted Wed Aug 22, 2007, 11:10pm
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MarkPrince Said:

The point I'm trying to make is this - one thing I'll probably do less of is start up long (winded lol) debates and discussions elsewhere online and even in CG forums (with fresh threads), and start putting more of those thoughts and ideas into articles for the front page. It means they'll be tempered somewhat (for eg, because the roaster / cafe thing is hearsay re this year's Esmeralda, I can't name the business), and it means that instead of just throwing outright accusations, I'll have to write these things with more of a watchdog generalistic approach that says "here's things you should look out for" instead of "here's business A doing this".

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First: I've yet to read the article. I have opened it for reading in another window couple of times already, but for some reasons never succeeded starting reading it.

The main point of this post is: I hate toned down articles, I hate the overwhelming political correctness that originates from USA and is starting to go into absurd levels. I'd rather read something sharp, witty and provocative, even if it provokes me than soft politically correct say-nothings.

Put your asbestos suit on and let the thoughts come out, just make sure you don't cross the limit that can cause you real trouble (=legal threats that actually have merit)
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 4:01am
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Mark - go unplugged, man!  I read coffeegeek precisely because it isn't cold and corporate - injecting yourself into the site more would seem to even further this as a forum to DISCUSS.  well stated opinions are healthy for the good of public discourse...
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 6:34am
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Hi, long time lurker - first time poster here. Have to say that the thought of reading (or listening) to a watered down version of Mark Prince is disturbing.....and prompting me to post for the first time since I joined in 2003?

Firstly, Coffeegeek started something profoundly great - but very addictive - in my life (trust me I've facilitated group work for people with addictions and I see all the signs). CG educated me about all things coffee. I was able to throw out the instant coffee, and actually feel good (and well informed) about spending $1000 (AUS) on a set up which included a popper/roaster, grinder, and espresso machine. I have CG to thank for the  sense of awakening and enlightenment that comes when you roast, grind, and pull your own shots of espresso for the first time.

Secondly, I return to the CG website on a daily basis (especially to check for new podcasts hint hint) for the fact that there is an opinion. It's your opinion that is creating accountability for a greater standard of products and services in the coffee industry. I feel CG is speaking on behalf of a lot of those out there who don't have a voice in the higher levels? of the coffee community/industry. Your opinion often shows that there is another side to the story - and from knowing two sides of the story we can make more informed choices for ourselves.

Hope this encourages you guys to keep telling it how it is....or how you see it at least  ;-)
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 7:45am
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japa_fi Said:

First: I've yet to read the article. I have opened it for reading in another window couple of times already, but for some reasons never succeeded starting reading it.

The main point of this post is: I hate toned down articles, I hate the overwhelming political correctness that originates from USA and is starting to go into absurd levels. I'd rather read something sharp, witty and provocative, even if it provokes me than soft politically correct say-nothings.

Posted August 22, 2007 link

I cannot agree with you more.  Political Correctness is nothing more than thought control.  It's objective is to keep the people in power IN POWER.

What the H*LL ever happened to Freedom of Speech?  Of course I put the * in not to offend anyone, God help me if I did ...

Oh, can I say God?

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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 8:10am
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

What the H*LL ever happened to Freedom of Speech?  Of course I put the * in not to offend anyone, God help me if I did ...

Oh, can I say God?

Posted August 23, 2007 link

Ya know Len, it'll be a sad, sorry day & existence or the END of it all if that's ever taken away! Enshrined personal freedoms, liberty, freedom of speech, etc., all in the name of so called political correctness or having worried about "offending" someone or some "group"..

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 9:36am
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CraigA Said:

Ya know Len, it'll be a sad, sorry day & existence or the END of it all if that's ever taken away! Enshrined personal freedoms, liberty, freedom of speech., all in the name of so called political correctness or having worried about "offending" someone or some "group"..

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I see it happening in the U.S. now.  It is a scary day when you hear about libraries being subpeonaed for records of books being taken out and who took them out.

Very disturbing that is.

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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 9:46am
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O.T. I would think Len that this is probably a post secondary result of 911, Homeland Security & all the different levels of security & the heightened watch level because of terrorism? I've heard in the USA that on each & every day billions of every type of communications are monitored for certain "key" words, in the interests of National security.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 9:55am
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Three million words.  I haven't read them all, not even more than a reasonable tenth or so; and I pardon myself as my focus is on writing an epic of fiction, "The Ring of the Lavender Angel," as is footnoted in the article you thought well enough to add to Newbie Revelations.  And that manuscript is approaching a million six hundred thousand words, not counting background character bibles, plot, location description references, etc.

You speak clearly, and the personnae that comes through in your articles always carries a consistent character, a watermark of self that is a delight!  Are you the final word?  No.  But the remarkable circle of moderators are the comprehensive environment that keeps you from sounding like a man with a perfect double in an empty belly preaching from a soapbox through gritted teeth who talks with shaking hands and serrated earnestness.

The serrations remain, undulled, and through the complete environment that is in my minds' eye CoffeeGeek I find a man whose passion and knowledge and opinions are in resonance with domains that are open to others to share and opine for or against without intuitive trepadation of being incinerated with scorn or arrogance.  You commit with articulate fluency that mocks the dumbing down of the masses with ease (and speed!  I manage to fumble a keyboard at barely a quarter of that; while Kathryn blazes through at over 120wpm!) to observations, criticism and remedies on so many aspects (mechanical, organic, and artistic) of coffee and the related community so well that I feel I know the humanity, the humor, and the intelligence of the author automatically.

You are a gatekeeper to a cuisine culture who reasons without being abrasive or contemptuous for the pleasure of such.  Sharing insight without condesention, and without many obvious thoughts to being politically correct, while maintaining a transparent, technically proficient presentation that invites independent afterthought by visitors to CoffeeGeek is a triumph and one which you do not neglect - for accolades grow stale and forgotton as rapidly as this morning's double shot.  Passion keeps the affair with coffee as necessarily fresh and engaging as any cuisine culture demands to remain vibrant.

And that you have; and you infuse so many others with the wonder of good coffee that I can only applaud your journey, and even from semi-isolation here near timberline, look forward to tomorrow!

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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 10:47am
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CraigA Said:

Ya know Len, it'll be a sad, sorry day & existence or the END of it all if that's ever taken away! Enshrined personal freedoms, liberty, freedom of speech, etc., all in the name of so called political correctness or having worried about "offending" someone or some "group"..

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Then too, I've heard rumors that some folks don't concern themselves with whom they might offend, as long as they can make their point clear. Kinda naive to me.

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Posted Thu Aug 23, 2007, 9:17pm
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Unchain the real Mark Prince!  Put it into an editorial column and let the fur fly.  An industry legend in one of my other hobbies is noted for his extremely cogent, entertaining and opinionated diatribes.  All of which are labeled as his own opinions bla bla bla.  He never names names, or gives enough specific information to pinpoint a culprit, but there is no doubt that he has the inside track due to his experience in the business.


Wayne,  who'll only tell Mark who it is

 
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