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Worldman
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006, 12:00am
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Espresso Advice - From One Steel Guy to Another
The Cafe Stage article by Len Sabo

Len Sabo offers his espresso-deprived friend and former co-worker some detailed advice on a first-time home espresso set-up. It's great info for any espresso newbie.
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006, 8:56am
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A great article, Len, thanks for putting together such a concise bit of advice. Be sure to let us know what Joe ends up getting, and more importantly, how he likes the espresso!
-JP
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006, 3:20pm
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Doesn't Mark Prince always say to spend more money on a quality grinder than the espresso machine? But in all your setups, the espresso machine outpriced the grinder... is your philosophy that the espresso machine matters more than the grinder?
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006, 4:20pm
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John,

Thank you for the kind words.

CW,

Doesn't Mark Prince always say to spend more money on a quality grinder than the espresso machine? But in all your setups, the espresso machine outpriced the grinder... is your philosophy that the espresso machine matters more than the grinder?

hmmm...a good point. Though I won't presume to speak for Mark Prince, I think that his comments about spending more on a grinder than a machine is based on "entry level" kind of spending. The fellow to whom these recomendations were made is, as I said, well off. Once you get to a Mazzer Mini E, there isn't too much higher that you can go.

You are correct, though, and I also tell freinds to spend the $ to get a "serious" grinder before worrying about getting a serious machine.  It is safe to say that all of these setups are "serious".

Len

 
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Posted Thu Dec 21, 2006, 4:22pm
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It was indeed a very good article, just a bit too late. ;-) I drove myself crazy reading all of these forums, review, visiting the Home-Barista website, reading alt.coffee posts.... If only someone had been around to give me such sage advice from the beginning. I do feel like I made the right purchase after all of that, and here the article confirms it! I have the Quickmill Anita with Macap M4 stepless (w/doser) grinder and I think it's great so far. I wasn't sure about doser vs. doserless, but I think I'll be happy with what I've got. There's always some little thing to be nitpicky about no matter what you choose!

Coffee_Wombat Said:

Doesn't Mark Prince always say to spend more money on a quality grinder than the espresso machine? But in all your setups, the espresso machine outpriced the grinder... is your philosophy that the espresso machine matters more than the grinder?

Posted December 21, 2006 link

It seems like that is nearly impossible if you're buying a nice heat exchanger or other prosumer-level machine. What I've noticed is that you need to spend at least $400-450 on the grinder (generally speaking) to be properly set up. That should get you a Mazzer Mini or Macap M4. Most of us don't need or have the space for anything larger, although I am sure there are plenty out there who will disagree and say you should get a Mazzer Super Jolly at a minimum! I think what people are commonly referring to is just that the grinder is more important than the machine and you will do a lot better by getting a $400 grinder and a $200 machine than you would if you got the $200 grinder and spent $400 or more on your machine.

My $.02.... Sorry if it got a little OT.
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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006, 5:09am
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Justin,

Are you new to home espresso? If so, you got a realy nice setup!.  Heck! Even if you are not new to home espresso, you got a really nice setup!

And...WELCOME to Coffee Geek.

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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006, 8:42am
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Worldman Said:

Justin,

Are you new to home espresso? If so, you got a realy nice setup!.  Heck! Even if you are not new to home espresso, you got a really nice setup!

And...WELCOME to Coffee Geek.

Len

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I'm new to the prosumer market. I just upgraded from a Gran Gaggia and Solis Maestro Plus. Needless to say, big upgrade!

Thanks for the welcome, Len. Seems like a very nice community.

Justin
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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006, 8:54am
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I'm with Justin -- where was your article a month ago when I started obsessively reading reviews and creating spreadsheets?! I ended up pulling the trigger on a Fiorenzato Bricoletta Volante and a Mazzer Mini -- I'm really excited because they're supposed to arrive today! This is a huge step up for me, as I was using a Krups and a whirly blade grinder before.
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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006, 8:59am
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JohnPark Said:

I'm with Justin -- where was your article a month ago when I started obsessively reading reviews and creating spreadsheets?! I ended up pulling the trigger on a Fiorenzato Bricoletta Volante and a Mazzer Mini -- I'm really excited because they're supposed to arrive today! This is a huge step up for me, as I was using a Krups and a whirly blade grinder before.
-JP

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Congrats John! Sounds like you're jumping in just as deep as I did. It's very exciting. I hope you enjoy your new babies.
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Posted Fri Dec 22, 2006, 9:47am
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Thanks Justin. I just checked the UPS tracking and it says my shipment has an "exception" due to bad weather. It's on a train, so how bad would the weather have to be?!! Looks like I'll be drinking press pot for Christmas after all.
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