gauperaa Senior Member Joined: 22 Dec 2001 Posts: 326 Location: Oslo, Norway Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Euro2000 Junior, Rancilio... Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Rancilio Rocky,... Vac Pot: Mini eSantos Drip: OBH Nordica King of Coffee Roaster: Imex-CR100, Princess popper,...
Posted Sat Sep 28, 2002, 9:28am Subject: Great article
Great article Alan. I agree with your views. I've actually just stopped roasting for a while just to enjoy cappas from my favourite preroasted coffee. The struggle to get perfect espresso, latte art, blends etc. is fun, but like you say we shouldn't forget to take time to enjoy the great taste and aroma of espresso coffee. Your comparion with high end audio equipment is spot on. Lots of people care more for the audio quality than the actual music they are playing.
michaelgfoster Senior Member Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Posts: 9 Location: California, United States Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Krups Novo Compact, Krups... Grinder: Solis Maestro Vac Pot: Yama Drip: Melitta Cone Roaster: FreshRoast Plus
Posted Sun Sep 29, 2002, 2:48pm Subject: great point about taste
GREAT POINT about taste...I have to keep repeating that to myself the next time I start drooling over a commercial machine...
My coffee took its biggest leap in quality when I began to roast my own. Most coffee, even fresh, locally-roasted coffee, is over-roasted (to my palate), and homeroasting seems to be the only way to get the taste that I like.
Duncan Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 35 Location: Sydney Australia Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Pavoni, Techno, La Cimbali... Grinder: Cunill, Rossi RR45, Mazzer... Vac Pot: No Drip: No Roaster: Withams Coffee
Posted Mon Sep 30, 2002, 4:15am Subject: once you get your technique right
"for an experienced operator it’s probably easier to get a consistently good shot from the Silvia, once you get your technique right"
How do you justify this sort of statement. Wouldn't an experienced operator get a consistenty good shot from any machine, they are experienced with. I smell a little bias in this statement
espresso_jim Senior Member Joined: 13 Jun 2002 Posts: 325 Location: Austin, TX Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Mini Vivaldi II Grinder: Mazzer Mini E Drip: Technivorm Moccamaster... Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Sep 30, 2002, 7:51am Subject: If it weren't for....
If it weren't for those "extremists who need the latest and greatest" and their enthusiasm in the espresso ritual, I wouldn't have been able to get a handle on what equipment I required for my espresso. No matter how good the technique on a Silvia, I was not willing to go through the 20 or so minutes of warm up and temp surfing just for a shot. An E61, HX met the requirement and now, I have no reason to upgrade.
I agree, an experienced person with good equipment will regularly pull a good shot. The rest depends on personal requirements. Me, I wanted a 24/7 machine. Because of the enthusiasts here and in alt.coffee, I learned from them and I ended up with just what I wanted without having to go through much upgrade at all.
“Yair...but what does it taste like?” It tasts great. This novice went to the above mentioned machine, homeroasting and grinding over this past summer. I now pull great tasting, consistant shots and no longer consider myself a novice.
Thanks "extremists" who need the latest and greatest. You steered me to just exactly what I wanted and needed to get great tasting espresso.
Thanks for the article. It really got me thinking.
JDenver Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 17 Location: Philadelphia, PA Expertise: Aficionado
Posted Wed Oct 2, 2002, 11:50am Subject: Silvia not the ultimate
To the extent you are talking about straight espresso only, I'd agree with you about being hard pressed to exceed the best shot that a Silvia is capable of. But Silvia's single boiler design makes it inferior to heat exchanger and dual boiler designs for those who desire to make milk drinks, a point that I feel that you did not adequately stress in your otherwise excellent article. You make it sound as if there is no reason to ever spend more than on a Silvia, and this is just not the case.
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